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Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Based upon a recent email to the X.Org developers' mailing list, Canonical is nearing the point of one of their goals for Ubuntu 10.10 of a rootless X Server, or being able to run the X.Org Server without root privileges.
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RE[9]: Big deal...
by UltraZelda64 on Sun 27th Jun 2010 22:03 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Big deal..."
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

"What if it's running on decade-plus old hardware that doesn't have a worthy GPU for processing 3D?


If you're running on decade-old hardware, are you surprised to get 1990's performance? Surprised that you can't get the benefit of new work being done in 2010?
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My machine from 2001 (not quite 90s, but close) is still perfectly usable (aside from slowdown issues caused by memory/swapping, but having only 256MB will do that), and in fact, would be an excellent machine if given the RAM. Ironically, it still runs much better than the Windows Me that came preinstalled on it and Windows XP which I ran up through SP2 to get rid of the abomination of an OS that it originally shipped with. Memory back in those days was scarce and expensive, and in the case of this computer, it's still expensive.

Since when do the graphical glitches in the video driver get in the way of "real work" (other than being annoyances, just like those fancy 3D effects produced by modern compositing window managers/GPUs)? And I'm not talking about some bug that completely garbles the screen (which I don't even remember when I last saw), I'm talking about what the original poster originally was talking about--minor graphical glitches. Brought up to a "modern" spec of 512MB or better yet 1GB of memory (or even maxed out to 2GB), this machine would certainly be enough to keep going for another six years at least... and likely more. The aging GPU, though, is already "obsolete" though, by at least one driver generation if using the binary nVidia drivers.

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RE[10]: Big deal...
by Elv13 on Sun 27th Jun 2010 22:37 in reply to "RE[9]: Big deal..."
Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

-Windows not not support your computer anymore
-Mac OSX does not support equivalent computer anymore
-Gnome, starting with Gnome3, will drop the support for your computer
-KDE still have some bit of backward compatibility, but is too modern to run on your hardware.

The two major Linux DE supported you longer than any other vendor, don't complain. Now, you have to accept that to stay competitive, they have to be modern and use modern technologies such as indexation, compositing, database driven information collecting and theming. As 95% of their user can use those tech, then it is the right choice to go that way.

I still use mostly Pentium4 at the execption of 1 Core2Quad and 2 Core2Duo. All my servers and services run fine on the P4, but in some years, I know I will have to replace them because they will lack the muscle to run the new version.

Take the file server for example. With ext2 and smbfs, 200mhz and 32mb of memory were fine on the old P2. But now with BTRFS with compression and softraid, 3ghz and 2gb of DDR400 is the minimal config. I have not complained on the kernel maliling list, I accept those changes, I benefit from them after all.

You ask to have all the benefit of modern hardware on outdated hardware, this can't work. You can still use Fluxbox and KDE3 apps on your computer, they will work forever as long as you don't update certain packages.

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RE[11]: Big deal...
by UltraZelda64 on Mon 28th Jun 2010 07:17 in reply to "RE[10]: Big deal..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

"Now, you have to accept that to stay competitive, they have to be modern and use modern technologies such as indexation, compositing, database driven information collecting and theming."

Tell me though, what "modern" features *honestly* can not be done at all on this 9-yr machine? Hell, the GPU itself has 512MB VRAM, double the actual computer itself--compositing, technically, is no problem at all. Remember, the machine *does* have a fully capable GPU, and it really did when I bought it. But both of them are depreciated and need old drivers (the original possibly needing an older OS, though I'm not sure). Everything you described, this machine would perform effortlessly (and at quite a respectable speed) with a nice RAM upgrade.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by KDE4 and Gnome 3 "dropping" support for my hardware. KDE runs like shit to the point of not even really being usable (it really does require 512MB), but it *does* run. Gnome 3 will likely be the same way. Get it up to 512MB, and it'll run like a dream. Various other desktops and window managers (Xfce, LXDE) exist as very capable alternatives.

The *only* people constantly dropping support where it matters are the GPU vendor... hell, even the original Sound Blaster would still work in it if I didn't upgrade it to a newer model a few years ago. If Nouveau really can get 3D graphics working, that would really be one of the major steps up for Linux/BSD, IMO.

"You ask to have all the benefit of modern hardware on outdated hardware, this can't work. You can still use Fluxbox and KDE3 apps on your computer, they will work forever as long as you don't update certain packages."

What? So what is the real, true benefit of modern hardware? I mean, in actual, practical terms? Aside from the fact that you can run in 64-bit and have a faster CPU with more memory (and the ability to use more memory), I'm really not seeing much... just a machine more capable of doing the same old things and with greater future expandability.

The real "features" which are unique are completely new technologies like Blu-ray, which if I really wanted I could get a BR drive and use it as a massive optical storage device. Sure, actually watching the video would likely require far more processing power, even just to decode the disgusting DRM. But that's nothing about a new feature; that's just more of a question of having a fast-enough processor. Then again there's that new DRM that goes through every component of the system, from Blu-ray to GPU to monitor--but that's another problem (one I don't care about) which was only brought on by greedy media corporations that Microsoft has in their pockets.

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