Linked by vodoomoth on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 09:03 UTC
Opera Software Opera 10.60 has been released July 1 for Mac OS X and is available for download. The features highlighted on the changelogs page are: layout engine (codename 'Presto'), HTML5 with support for offline web applications, WebM, which has been available in Opera (in a special build) on the very day of the announcement at the Google I/O conference, web workers for running scripts in the background without impeding the browsing experience, and geolocation. Version 10.60 is also available for Windows and Linux/BSD.
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Comment by mtzmtulivu
by mtzmtulivu on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 11:04 UTC
mtzmtulivu
Member since:
2006-11-14

anybody notice certain products from certain companies are reviewed from apologetic eye and other products from other companies are reviewed with a critical eye?

The critical eye on opera seem to be a little bit higher on those who review this browser here for some reason. I do not remember seeing any other article from the author so i cant say anything about his/her writing but the article is consistent with most articles written about this browser.

In blogs, some products are covered positively and most of the negative comments are on the comments section and other products get negative coverage and positive comments are found on the comment section.This seem to be a balance that seem to come up naturally or is cultivated to create "an environment where both sides are covered".

I wonder who set the trend here on opera

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RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 11:09 in reply to "Comment by mtzmtulivu"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Or, it could just be that products with problems get bad reviews, whereas products without problems get good reviews. But sure, your elaborate conspiracy-implying explanations makes a whole lot more sense.

Funny how you can see the simple and elegant cognitive dissonance theory - one of the best-understood theories in Psychology - at work almost every minute.

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RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by greygandalf on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 15:56 in reply to "RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
greygandalf Member since:
2008-04-07

Well... I use Opera on Windows since version 9 every day at work for 8-9 hours under very heavy use, since I work with cloud applications. It is stable as a rock. It doesn't crash.
I use Opera on Mac and Linux too. It is not as stable perhaps, but still very good compared to other browsers.

So sometimes tone really can see a certain bias in the comments.

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RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by vodoomoth on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 13:48 in reply to "Comment by mtzmtulivu"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

anybody notice certain products from certain companies are reviewed from apologetic eye and other products from other companies are reviewed with a critical eye?

Yes I did, and it's normal as we are human (read "non-objective and very subjective") beings. That's why I (a he, not a she) also posted the previous article about the release of Opera 10.54 ten days ago, following the call for submissions and editors Adam launched weeks ago, and following several comments where I defended Opera, where I praised the browser for being feature rich and a true pioneer (see my other comment minutes ago). And I am the most outspoken supporter of Opera on OSnews so I hope you're not saying I'm an IE fan (yuck, feel sick just writing it) who's disguising his true partisanship in this article. See http://www.osnews.com/thread?429413

No wonder you don't remember anything from me, this is my second article on OSnews. And if you are on Opera community, I'm "topdawg" over there.

Even better, as I have announced in another comment, I'm preparing a critique reviewing my 10 years of using Opera for 100% of my non-Youtube browsing and FF for the more and more sporadic cases when the site doesn't work with Opera.

Feel free to say things about my writing. It's a foreign language to me as I'm in France. And as I said elsewhere, I'm also here to learn.

If I could set trends, the marketshare of Opera desktop would higher than the meager 2% it is now, a mysterious virus would wipe IE6 and IE7 from all computers, Microsoft would bury IE deeper than the core of the planet and they would also spare resources on both WebPositive and ports of Java 1.6 to Haiku and AROS. Dreaming awake...

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RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by mtzmtulivu on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 19:29 in reply to "RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14



Even better, as I have announced in another comment, I'm preparing a critique reviewing my 10 years of using Opera for 100% of my non-Youtube browsing and FF for the more and more sporadic cases when the site doesn't work with Opera.

Feel free to say things about my writing. It's a foreign language to me as I'm in France. And as I said elsewhere, I'm also here to learn.


English isnt my first language too and i hope people recognize the fact that this is an international forum and not everybody use this language on a day to day basis and have proficiency comparable to native speakers.

Its like they say, you can get drunk once in a while and most people wont put second though into it but once you get a reputation as that person that get drunk,then the only thing you can do is to skip town because it doesnt really matter how long you stay sober, everybody will start talking as if you have been drinking the entire time you were sober.

You could be meaning well for writing a critical review of opera, but reviewers of this browser on this forum already have a reputation of being overly critical of this browser and your criticism will only play into that stereotype and it doesnt matter how much you will praise the browser(if you will), a slight criticism will stand out and people will complain about it.

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RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by ebasconp on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 20:31 in reply to "RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

Actually I think the majority of OSnews readers are (me included) not English native speakers.

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RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by kaiwai on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 00:57 in reply to "Comment by mtzmtulivu"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

anybody notice certain products from certain companies are reviewed from apologetic eye and other products from other companies are reviewed with a critical eye?

The critical eye on opera seem to be a little bit higher on those who review this browser here for some reason. I do not remember seeing any other article from the author so i cant say anything about his/her writing but the article is consistent with most articles written about this browser.

In blogs, some products are covered positively and most of the negative comments are on the comments section and other products get negative coverage and positive comments are found on the comment section.This seem to be a balance that seem to come up naturally or is cultivated to create "an environment where both sides are covered".

I wonder who set the trend here on opera


Whatever conspiracy theory some Opera advocates try to conjure up it don't stand up to scrutiny - people are going to compare their current browser with Opera. If Opera doesn't step up and either equal or better than the status quo for that user then it will be marked down.

What marks down Opera for me is the lack of out of process plugin support, Mac OS X still being the bastard red headed step child as so far as Opera still using Carbon, the high CPU utilisation with memory not being reclaimed after each tab is shut, and so on. I compare my experience with Opera to Safari and to really pull me away from Safari, Opera not only has to meet but beat Safari on Mac OS X.

I really do what to see an alternative to Safari on Mac OS X that actually addresses all the short comings of Safari; I want to see tab process isolation, low cpu utilisation, taking advantage of Core Animation and other hardware acceleration API's where possible, plugin process isolation, the browser running in a low privileged mode so that when there is a security issue it doesn't have me fearing the consequences given the sandboxed environment.

Yes I have given Opera 10.60 a go and the same issues that I had with all previous versions still exist - so I am not a blind anti-Opera zealot, just that when push comes to shove and all the cards are counted the Opera programmers really haven't taken Opera to the next level of functionality to which we are seeing when it comes to its competitors.

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RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by mtzmtulivu on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 02:26 in reply to "RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

Whatever conspiracy theory some Opera advocates try to conjure up it don't stand up to scrutiny - people are going to compare their current browser with Opera. If Opera doesn't step up and either equal or better than the status quo for that user then it will be marked down.



What marks down Opera for me is the lack of out of process plugin support, Mac OS X still being the bastard red headed step child as so far as Opera still using Carbon, the high CPU utilisation with memory not being reclaimed after each tab is shut, and so on. I compare my experience with Opera to Safari and to really pull me away from Safari, Opera not only has to meet but beat Safari on Mac OS X.

And here lies the problem, most reviewers of opera on this forum compares the browser against their personal preferences and not against what other browsers are doing and criticize it if it doesnt agree with those preferences. I mean look at this review, one would expect some sort of a comparison btw this browser and its competitors but the reviewer just pointed to a list of new features and went on to talk about how the browser doesnt agree with his personal preferences.

i dont know about opera on a mac, but it does handle flash plugin in a separate process in linux. In linux, the opera main process is called "opera" and flash plugin is handles by an external process called "operapluginwrapper".

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