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Microsoft U.K. government staff suggested replacing Microsoft Corp. operating systems on computers with free alternatives in response to a call for ideas for Prime Minister David Cameron's cost-cutting drive.
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RE[4]: Until they need support
by nt_jerkface on Mon 12th Jul 2010 06:30 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Until they need support"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26


Based on what evidence? you throw that out there and provide nothing to back it up nor do you even take into account one can use Zenworks for large deployments thus just as simple as managing a network of Windows servers and desktops.


Linux admins cost more on average, kind of thought that was common sense. You can go look up IT salaries if this is news to you.


So stick with Windows XP and find yourself high and dry in a few years after support stops - excuse me but that sounds like the most stupid f-cking idea I've ever come across.


Security updates go to 2014.

But no I don't think any business or government should stick with XP. I just think it is a better cost-saving measure than switching to Linux.


As for your first paragraph, how are you dependent on Oracle? OpenOffice.org is an open source project that has Red Hat, Novell, Oracle and numerous individual contributors; there is nothing stopping the government, as they do for other projects, to setup a dedicated group of half a dozen programmers to address problems with OpenOffice.org for the whole public service.


Well OpenOffice is incomplete in functionality compared to MS Office and it is not some community project when it comes to development. That vast majority of the commits have been from Sun employees:
http://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/ooo-commit-stats-2008.html

Without Sun (and now Oracle) developers the codebase would stagnate and die.

I follow OpenOffice more than most open source advocates here so please be aware of this before getting abrasive.

Anyways your suggestion is laughable that a company or government switch to open office and then hire a team of programmers to fill in that missing functionality as part of a greater effort to save money. The wasted money on meetings alone planning such an endeavor would likely pay for MS Office.


There is no 'vendor lock in' and as for 'smaller business software library'


There are fewer business applications available for Linux, are you going to deny this?

I'll give you some common examples:
Quickbooks
Peachtree Accounting
Postal Service / Shipping software
Payroll software
MS Exchange
Banking software
Publishing software

I didn't even bring up the issue of hardware. Multi-function printers have long been an issue with Linux.

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RE[5]: Until they need support
by l3v1 on Mon 12th Jul 2010 09:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Until they need support"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

I didn't even bring up the issue of hardware. Multi-function printers have long been an issue with Linux.


Not from where I'm standing. We've always picked our m.f. printers after checking that they'll work with Linux too, and they do - and before you ask, yes, they are current models, not ten year old junk. In my mind that's not a problem, since if you buy stuff without researching your needs and constraints first, then you'll deserve what you end up with.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

A government looking to cut costs isn't going to be buying new printers.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Open Office, in addition to being open source itself, is also based on Open standards. Thus you have Koffice, Gnome Office Suite, and others writing to that same standard for file formats. Those are not being written by Oracle and are continuing to improve.

Just like HTML wasn't doomed by Mozilla's code base, ODF's wouldn't be doomed by Open Office's. That's one of he great benefits of open standards, and one of the biggest reasons to *not* use MS Office.

But yes, there is a dearth of good quality Accounting software on Linux. But that is mainly due to the monopoly Quick books has on all platforms. Every small business I work with uses it.

If only there were some way to use it through an industry standard for rendering a markup language capable of hyper-link technology through a vast network of interconnected computers. This "information super-highway" of a network might allow this accounting information to be utilized in a variety of places on a variety of platforms, rendering it more valuable to small businesses than a self contained installation.

Oh well, I guess that's just a crazy dream I had due to too much late night guacamole.

Or maybe not...
http://quickbooksonline.intuit.com/finance-accounting-solutions/

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Open Office, in addition to being open source itself, is also based on Open standards. Thus you have Koffice, Gnome Office Suite, and others writing to that same standard for file formats. Those are not being written by Oracle and are continuing to improve.


Continuing to improve yes but as of today KOffice and Gnome Office are not adequate alternatives to MS Office.


But yes, there is a dearth of good quality Accounting software on Linux. But that is mainly due to the monopoly Quick books has on all platforms. Every small business I work with uses it.


They don't have a lock on the market though. The problem is that there is a lack of open source developers that want to work on accounting software.

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