Linked by David Adams on Fri 16th Jul 2010 19:44 UTC, submitted by sjvn
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris A Computerworld blog speculates that the open-source Unix distribution may live on, but Oracle won't be supporting it. At this point, "OpenSolaris' only real future is as a fork, which would not be easy to pull off. Still, with enough interest from developers it could be done. OpenSolaris is licensed under the GPLv3 CDDL and various other OSS licenses, so the base code is available."
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nt_jerkface
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2009-08-26

My opinion is that Oracle doesn't actually care about Solaris either. I think Oracle wants to be a one-stop shop and doesn't care if the customers buy Linux as long as it moves them closer to buying OracleDB.

The server world is converging around Linux and Windows Server on x86. I really don't see Ellison trying to stop that convergence.

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Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

My opinion is that Oracle doesn't actually care about Solaris either. I think Oracle wants to be a one-stop shop and doesn't care if the customers buy Linux as long as it moves them closer to buying OracleDB.

The server world is converging around Linux and Windows Server on x86. I really don't see Ellison trying to stop that convergence.

I see that Ellison stops that convergence.

Larry has said that Linux is for lowend, and Solaris is for highend. He also said that OracleDB is run on Solaris, more than Linux or any other OS. Also, OracleDB is first developed on Solaris and then ported to other OSes, maybe because of DTrace (several Firefox developers have switched from Linux to Solaris just because of DTrace):
http://blog.mozilla.com/rob-sayre/2007/09/06/land-of-dtrace/
"I deleted the Ubuntu partition that I had. Now I’m using Solaris. It’s much nicer to use, except for the fonts. I don’t think I can work on Mozilla without DTrace ever again. Too useful."


http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9131829/Oracle_s_Sun_buy_Ell...
"The Solaris operating system is by far the best Unix technology available in the market," Ellison said.


http://www.serverwatch.com/news/article.php/3861376/Whats-the-Futur...
"We think it will be a long time before Linux ever catches up," Ellison said.
...
"I love Linux. We're big supporters of Linux, [but] Solaris is an older and more capable operating system," Ellison said.



So the conclusion is clear. Ellison thinks Solaris is superior to Linux and targets it as a highend OS (which it is). I do think he cares about Solaris, especially because he said in the second link:
"In explaining his decision to make the acquisition today, Oracle CEO Larry Ellison boiled down Sun into a company of two key assets: Java and the Solaris operating system."

So, yes, he cares about Solaris and he is betting on it. He is increasing research and development, more than Sun ever had - he has said this officially.




But regarding OpenSolaris, it is a different thing. We will see what happens when we see an official statement from Oracle. But we can see in the source code that OpenSolaris is rapid developed, maybe to be released as Solaris 11? There are frenetic activity going on in the source code today. Development has not stopped. You can check it out and compile if you want the latest build. There are no ISO files, but you can create one.

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gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

Elison said all that before acquisition closed. EU was watching, he had to say something. And, as you see, he didn't mentioned OpenSolaris at all. Just proprietary Solaris. Even if Oracle puts huge amounts of money in Solaris, it will get completely overtaken by Linux at some point in future. Solaris' future is to be Oracle DB appliance and I don't see Oracle developing any general purpose features which might help Solaris rise again. Sun fought one man war against entire industry which support Linux. Larry isn't that dumb.

As for OpenSolaris, there are no ISOs, no support, OpenSolaris will be like Darwin at best. If that.

PS: As for DTrace. That article is old. Linux now has SystemTap.

Edited 2010-07-18 14:12 UTC

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9131829/Oracle_s_Sun_buy_Ell...
"The Solaris operating system is by far the best Unix technology available in the market," Ellison said.


Look at this quote from the same article:
"I'm a Linux fan and if you want Linux we have the best Linux in the world. If you want UNIX, we have the best UNIX in the world."

That's a guy that will sell whichever Nix the market wants, and the market has been moving towards Linux on X86. He makes his money by selling a DB that runs just fine on Linux x86. Why should he make a significant investment in Solaris when the market is moving towards Linux? He isn't interested in changing that market direction and that is what counts.


So, yes, he cares about Solaris and he is betting on it. He is increasing research and development, more than Sun ever had - he has said this officially.

Yes he is investing in Solaris but it is at the mainframe level. It isn't like with Sun where the plan was to displace Linux with Unix. Ellison doesn't have an emotional attachment to Solaris.


But regarding OpenSolaris, it is a different thing. We will see what happens when we see an official statement from Oracle.


You don't need to wait for a statement, their position is clear by their actions.

The fact that OpenSolaris isn't on the main Oracle.com website speaks volumes. They're clearly interested in pushing other Sun acquisitions like Java and MySQL but not OpenSolaris. They would have killed it immediately if it weren't for the bad press that such a move would elicit.

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