Linked by David Adams on Tue 20th Jul 2010 18:07 UTC, submitted by sjvn
SuSE, openSUSE Long time fans of openSUSE Linux and its commercial big brother, Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, will find a lot to like in this latest update.
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RE: zypper
by Boldie on Tue 20th Jul 2010 20:58 UTC in reply to "zypper"
Boldie
Member since:
2007-03-26

I have never had any problems with dependencies or conflicts with apt.

The only systems I ever hosed have been rpm based
That said, I stopped distro shopping when 11.2 came out
11.3 looks even better!

Though I would like conflict free package management debian style

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RE[2]: zypper
by vivainio on Tue 20th Jul 2010 21:07 in reply to "RE: zypper"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

I have never had any problems with dependencies or conflicts with apt

I've had tons, not being able to install/download packages when dependencies are not available being a good example (you can --force-all dpkg, but not apt).

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RE[3]: zypper
by sorpigal on Wed 21st Jul 2010 16:26 in reply to "RE[2]: zypper"
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

Ugh, don't --force-all! You're asking for trouble by hiding problems you haven't seen yet. I know you meant --force-depends.

If you did in fact see a broken dependency problem you are either (1) tracking testing, (2) tracking sid, (3) performing an unsupported upgrade (e.g. skipping a major release), (4) using a third party repository, or (5) some combination. If encountered any of these scenarios I hope you filed a bug!

Edited 2010-07-21 16:35 UTC

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RE[2]: zypper
by vivainio on Tue 20th Jul 2010 22:05 in reply to "RE: zypper"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

The only systems I ever hosed have been rpm based


Actually, I'm taking a liberty to add a new comment since it seems I can't click "edit" anymore -

the problem with apt is indeed the difficulty with which you can hose your system (i.e. it's more anal about the consistency requirements). This cultural difference might make rpm based systems more useful for distributions that are still in development - they are by default somewhat hosed all the time, and what you usually want is "give me all the new stuff, no questions asked".

I may be talking out of my ass because it's been a long time since I used an rpm based system - but on my time doing maemo development (apt/deb based system), I often longed for a slackware-like extract-tgz-here-and-shut-up functionality. RPM might be the good middle ground in that it tracks dependencies, but allows you to break the consistency of currently installed packages without giving you pain about it all the time.

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RE[3]: zypper
by strestout1 on Tue 20th Jul 2010 22:48 in reply to "RE[2]: zypper"
strestout1 Member since:
2010-06-08

i still prefer the package manager that Foresight Linux uses, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conary_(package_manager Conary.

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RE[3]: zypper
by Boldie on Wed 21st Jul 2010 09:02 in reply to "RE[2]: zypper"
Boldie Member since:
2007-03-26

the problem with apt is indeed the difficulty with which you can hose your system (i.e. it's more anal about the consistency requirements). This cultural difference might make rpm based systems more useful for distributions that are still in development - they are by default somewhat hosed all the time, and what you usually want is "give me all the new stuff, no questions asked".


Ah, that might be the case. As an end user I really like consistency... But when it comes to fast developed distros I found Pacman in Frugalware to be rather good. (I think it is Arch package management system).

OpenSuse has stood up quite well to my mismanagement of adding and removing repos. I will keep on using it and try to be happy about the semiautomatic conflict management. :-)

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