Linked by Universal Mind on Fri 6th Aug 2010 16:16 UTC
Apple The "Macs are too expensive" argument is one of the most tiresome and long-lived flamewars in internet history. Obviously, Apple makes a premium product and charges premium prices, and you can always find a computer from another vendor that seems to match or exceed specs that costs less. But if you look at Apple's Mac Pro line, and compare it not so much to other vendors, but to the past lineup of Mac Pros, you discover some very unpleasant truths that help explain why Apple is enjoying record earnings for their Mac line, but doing so to the detriment of some its most loyal and valuable customers.
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tupp
Member since:
2006-11-12

Can you name any electronics manufacturer of apple's stature that does not have some issues?

Apple doesn't have just "some" issues -- Apple has constant, chronic design/engineering mishaps.

The total number of all such serious design/engineering problems for the past decade from all of the other major electronics manufacturers combined is less than the number of Apple blunders on the above list. And that list is not exhaustive nor does it include any of Apples GUI problems.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I don't know what your intention is with your posts, but you aren't really arguing very well. Its very easy to compare a product vs "competitors" and find it either lacking or superior depending on whcih competitor you are speaking of.

If you want to have a meaningful discussion, name an electronics company to compare Apple to. Simply listing defects from a single company doesn't give a neutral reader a sense of normalcy. To what standard should you apply towards apple's products? Should each and every product they create be perfect? Do other manufacturers not have similar problems?

I would suggest that the automobile industry might be a good comparison. even the luxury, premium cars have issues. Simply having some, is not enough to disqualify them from retaining the "premium" label. I would suggest the electronics industry is similar.

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bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

You lose for comparing a high tech industry to a 100+yro industry. I don't drive my computer, I don't type on my car.

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werpu Member since:
2006-01-18

"Can you name any electronics manufacturer of apple's stature that does not have some issues?

Apple doesn't have just "some" issues -- Apple has constant, chronic design/engineering mishaps.

The total number of all such serious design/engineering problems for the past decade from all of the other major electronics manufacturers combined is less than the number of Apple blunders on the above list. And that list is not exhaustive nor does it include any of Apples GUI problems.
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I would not call Apple worse than others, but what really annoys me is their we try to weasel out mentality until they get either a class action lawsuit on their neck or bad press coverage.
The classical example of this is the Macbook Air, a bugridden overpriced piece of solid overheating garbage. There never was a recall and to the worse two additional series with the same heating problems as the first one. Why was this never fixed:

a) First because it is broken by design
b) Because the air was a nieche product only used by a subset of people so the shit never hit the fan so seriously that Apple ever would do something to rectify the problem

Too bad if you shelled out 2500 dollars for the initial piece of aluminium then you basically were screwed because the symtoms usually did show up later than the usual 30 days grace period.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

osX had an issue in the TCP/IP stack and NIC driver that "didn't exist" under threat of litigation until six months or more later when "not a patch for that" was quietly slipped into the updates. They couldn't be bothered to admit too or even rush a patch for something they could cover up.

Fast Forward; the sure found a patch for the Safari vulnerabilities fast when it became a method for enabling device owners rather than Apple share holders (ie. jailbreaking). "This vulnerability is being exploited in the wild" - to allow device owners full access to there legally purchased devices.

Between Iphone and Android fracturing/crippling by hardware vendors.. I can't tell you how glad I am to have an N900 in the mail. That sucker will keep me going until Nokia or it's competition provides a true upgrade device (.. come on Nokia.. daddy needs a new N910..).

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Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

"Can you name any electronics manufacturer of apple's stature that does not have some issues?

Apple doesn't have just "some" issues -- Apple has constant, chronic design/engineering mishaps.

The total number of all such serious design/engineering problems for the past decade from all of the other major electronics manufacturers combined is less than the number of Apple blunders on the above list. And that list is not exhaustive nor does it include any of Apples GUI problems.
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Do you have any real numbers to support that assertion? You are so full of shit, it's amazing. The anti-Apple vitriol is going to give you a seizure one day.

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molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

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The total number of all such serious design/engineering problems for the past decade from all of the other major electronics manufacturers combined is less than the number of Apple blunders on the above list. And that list is not exhaustive nor does it include any of Apples GUI problems.


Do you have any real numbers to support that assertion? You are so full of shit, it's amazing. The anti-Apple vitriol is going to give you a seizure one day.
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Yeah it was an exaggeration. No need to get so emotional about it... remember that seizure you mention ed there...

Edited 2010-08-07 19:47 UTC

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aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Most of the problems most likely come from Apples desire to design great looking products.

Such as the fan noise, black screens / crashing applications due to GPU issues, smashed glass surfaces, shorted magsafe connectors, poor battery performance (cramped design = hotter = kill lithium-ion batteries faster = worse battery performance), not working DVD-burners, the issues with the mouse, ...

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