Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Aug 2010 22:47 UTC
Apple Since interesting news that I'm actually knowledgeable about is still a little hard to come by, I have to work a little harder. This is something interesting to discuss: John Gruber, rather famous Apple blogger, is now arguing that Apple is in fact not fighting the jailbreaking community. Wait, what?
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RE[4]: Voiding the warranty
by bert64 on Tue 31st Aug 2010 08:25 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Voiding the warranty"
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Hardware should be designed such that it cannot be physically damaged by software, and so that whatever state the hardware gets in it's always possible to return it to a default state.
When i first bought an Amiga years ago, the manual showed me how to make a copy of my workbench disks, and then went on to say that there was no way to physically damage the machine regardless of what i did software wise and that absolute worst case, i boot the original workbench disks (which have the readonly tab set) and create a new copy of the disk.

App store "piracy", like any other form of "piracy" is not as cut and dry as people try to make out... Many of the people who download warez copies of apps wouldn't (or couldn't afford to) have bought those apps if they were unable to obtain them for free.

Aside from that, copyright infringement of the software actually increases sales of the hardware and in the case of cellphones might increase the use of the network too. If you spend less on intangibles like software, you have more money to spend on things you can't get for free such as hardware and services.

Serial numbers are pretty worthless, they harm and inconvenience legitimate purchasers, while dodgy serials are widely circulated via warez sites. To give an example, i bought a tomtom gps a few years ago and it came with the device itself, an sd card with the software/maps on and a cd with a backup copy of the software and a serial number printed on the flimsy paper cd wallet. I bought this gps in 2004 or so, and recently needed to reload the software onto it due to damaging the sd card.. I bought a new card, loaded the latest version of the software (Freely downloadable from tomtom), and copied the map on from a backup i made of the old card... It wanted me to activate the map using the serial from the cd case, now i have no idea where this case is, it's 6 years since i purchased the unit and i haven't had to use the cd or its case since so its either lost or been thrown away. Tomtom want me to buy a whole new unit... But why should i?
So i downloaded a keygen and am now again able to use the device i paid good money for.

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RE[5]: Voiding the warranty
by bogomipz on Tue 31st Aug 2010 14:44 in reply to "RE[4]: Voiding the warranty"
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Hardware should be designed such that it cannot be physically damaged by software, and so that whatever state the hardware gets in it's always possible to return it to a default state.

Well, not being able to hurt the hardware itself is one thing. There is, however, one little other problem with devices containing radio transmitters, such as wireless routers and mobile phones.

The power you are allowed to send with, or the the frequencies that are allowed to send at, may vary from region to region. In such cases, the hardware manufacturer will use a single hardware design, but flash it with different firmwares depending on where the unit is to be sold.

Often, people that flash their wireless routers do it in order to turn up the radio power. Perhaps unknowingly, they might tune it up to a level that is not legal in their country, which could be a bit of a problem. Especially if some people think the manufacturer should be held responsible - then it means that they cannot allow their customers to install third party firmware, and the geeks stop liking the company..

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RE[5]: Voiding the warranty
by mbooth9517 on Tue 31st Aug 2010 15:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Voiding the warranty"
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Your first point is the most interesting; that it should not be able to break hardware by the software.

Assume for a minute that a chip can run for a length of time at a certain temperature, but any longer than that its possible to damage the hardware.

Its certainly plausible, and, in my opinion acceptable, to determine this in software, and software which can be flashed.

If its possible to replace this software (which calculates whether the chip is getting close to a dangerous limit) to be replaced, then its an admission that hardware alone can't mitigate all these risks and I reakon its completely fair that replacing this software voids the warrenty.

Whether or not this is the case with apple; I don't know. But just consider that software may be responsible for hardware opperating within its range

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RE[6]: Voiding the warranty
by jgagnon on Tue 31st Aug 2010 16:43 in reply to "RE[5]: Voiding the warranty"
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There will always be legitimate reasons to implement some features/functions/etc. in software versus hardware. One without the other is far less interesting and functional. You can easily make hardware more flexible with software and make software faster or more secure with hardware (just a couple examples). Overlap is a good thing but can also lead to abuse or problems.

To state that one has to be impervious to changes in the other is downright shortsighted and reeks of ignorance.

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