Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 7th Sep 2010 10:25 UTC
Multimedia, AV Every so often we publish here at OSNews articles about copyright, about the war of the "old media" establishment against everyone else. Many, myself included, have argued that the way to get out of this mess -- short of changing the law -- is to have more artists release their work under a Creative Commons license. However, after a few years it became obvious to me that CC would never be able to change the industry all by itself. Offering a Free license, and having 30,000 albums released under it, was still not enough. Until the Summer of 2009, that is. Update: Added audio samples.
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RE[4]: Computer generated music
by Laurence on Tue 7th Sep 2010 22:05 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Computer generated music"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

Ok, I've listened to the samples now and most of them just sounded like bog standard chillout / IDM tracks.

Reminds me a lot of these albums from the last 15 years:
* Royksopp - 'Melody AM'
* Lemon Jelly - 'Lost Horizons'
* Amon Tobin - 'Out From Out Where'
* Love and Rockets - 'Blandat'
* Boards of Canada - 'Geogaddi' and 'The Campfire Headphase' (though personally I think their best album is 'Music Has the Right to Children', but that album is more "electronic chillout" and has less of the organic sounds you describe)

I listen to this kind of stuff a lot and I can tell you now that it's neither new nor "underground". Royksopp and Lemon Jelly have both had UK top 40 singles back in the early part of 00s and Amon Tobin is sampled to hell for TV backing music (BBCs Top Gear being just one example).

I really do hate genre pidgenholes as they always seem to detract people from the music. Most of the time it seems they're born out of a need to promote the artists rather than music, and this seems little different.

Edited 2010-09-07 22:10 UTC

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Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

>* Royksopp - 'Melody AM'
>* Lemon Jelly - 'Lost Horizons'
>* Amon Tobin - 'Out From Out Where'
>* Love and Rockets - 'Blandat'
>* Boards of Canada - 'Geogaddi' and 'The Campfire Headphase'

Absolutely not. Only *some* of Royksopp's songs on that album come a bit close, but still no cigar (their sound is too clear, it's not like a fade memory, but clean-cut electronic sounds). The rest of the albums you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with chillwave.

The stylistic origins of chillwave is Panda Bear, some of Animal Collective, a bit of early Beach House too.

>I listen to this kind of stuff a lot and I can tell >you now that it's neither new nor "underground".

It is very new, and it's still underground. You confuse chillwave with chillout electronic music. It's not the same. Chillout music is simply ambient music, sometimes with a bit more dance-infused electronic music, while chillwave is synthpop/new-wave/shoegaze that specifically tries to awake memories, rather than just make you chill. The fact that it's using the electronic music's tools to realize itself is besides the point. That's where the similarity ends.

Check the artists mentioned in the chillwave wikipedia article to check out the genre.

Edited 2010-09-08 01:45 UTC

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Absolutely not. Only *some* of Royksopp's songs on that album come a bit close, but still no cigar (their sound is too clear, it's not like a fade memory, but clean-cut electronic sounds). The rest of the albums you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with chillwave.

It is very new, and it's still underground. You confuse chillwave with chillout electronic music.

But the point I'm making is there's nothing new to chillwave that warrants a new genre. To most people (and myself including) this is just another form of electronica / chillout music.

It's not the same. Chillout music is simply ambient music, sometimes with a bit more dance-infused electronic music, while chillwave is synthpop/new-wave/shoegaze that specifically tries to awake memories, rather than just make you chill. The fact that it's using the electronic music's tools to realize itself is besides the point. That's where the similarity ends.

No, that's entirely the point. The music uses the same tools, techniques and clich├ęs, thus it sounds just like the stuff I listed and thus i have trouble taking you seriously when you keep harping on about how this is a whole new genre of music.

I couldn't give a rats arse about your psychobabble about awakening memories because music will only awaken a memory if you have memories attached to that style of music. So to say this achieves something that other tracks can't is somewhat pretentious and not to mention completely false.

So the simple fact is, music is categorised by what it sounds like and everything else is just artistic fluff for the producer to indulge in.


Furthermore, this is the problem I have with your article. Rather than focusing on the merits / pitfalls of CC and emerging music scenes that are advocates of CC: you were trying to promote a specific genre that you have found a personal bond with and then trying to sell it like we all should agree with you that it's the greatest original idea since 'Ugg' designed the wheel. To most people this is just chillout electronica - and given that there's already far too many pidgenholes, I'm inclined to side with them.

Edited 2010-09-08 07:38 UTC

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