Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 10th Sep 2010 23:38 UTC
Legal EULAs, and whatever nonsense they may contain, are legally binding in the US. Have a great weekend!
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RE: Fiddlesticks...
by ricegf on Sat 11th Sep 2010 10:04 UTC in reply to "Fiddlesticks..."
ricegf
Member since:
2007-04-25

Not me.

Y'know, just a few days ago I casually mentioned that I'm a fan of free-as-in-freedom software, and was verbally pummeled for being some kind of nutjob.

But I didn't just wake up one day and decide that I thought rms had a point. I actually received 2 letters (via snail mail) at my house from the Business Software Alliance, stating that if I had purchased - oh, I mean licensed - any software from their member companies (e.g., Microsoft or Autodesk), I had agreed to their "right" to enter my home and search my computers for any copyright violations.

I started reading their EULAs and found that they gave themselves all kinds of ludicrous "rights", including in many cases the "right" to add more "rights" to their arsenal later on by merely editing a page on a website.

I suppose I'm a nutjob for thinking that was a bad plan, and seeking a respectful license instead.

A final thought: How different in attitude are the above EULAs from "either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version" recommended for use with the GPL?

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RE[2]: Fiddlesticks...
by lemur2 on Sat 11th Sep 2010 11:23 in reply to "RE: Fiddlesticks..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

But I didn't just wake up one day and decide that I thought rms had a point. I actually received 2 letters (via snail mail) at my house from the Business Software Alliance, stating that if I had purchased - oh, I mean licensed - any software from their member companies (e.g., Microsoft or Autodesk), I had agreed to their "right" to enter my home and search my computers for any copyright violations.

I started reading their EULAs and found that they gave themselves all kinds of ludicrous "rights", including in many cases the "right" to add more "rights" to their arsenal later on by merely editing a page on a website.


This text is worth repeating.

I am absolutely convinced that the vast majority of people have no idea how thoroughly onerous and anti-user commercial-licensed software EULAs actually are.

It makes perfect sense for software users to completely avoid software of this nature. Shunning any commercial-licensed software from the BSA members is a very good place to start:

http://www.bsa.org/country/BSA%20and%20Members/Our%20Me...

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RE[2]: Fiddlesticks...
by Soulbender on Sat 11th Sep 2010 11:37 in reply to "RE: Fiddlesticks..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I had agreed to their "right" to enter my home and search my computers for any copyright violations.


I'm pretty sure this is an illegal contract clause. You should bring it up with whatever consumer rights organization you have there.

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RE[3]: Fiddlesticks...
by ricegf on Sat 11th Sep 2010 12:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Fiddlesticks..."
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

It's more satisfying to thumb my nose at the jerks.

Why, right on their home page they have the audacity to state, "Whether you are copying, downloading, sharing, selling, or installing multiple copies of software onto personal or work computers, you are committing software piracy."

Really, BSA? I do all those things with GPL software. Am I a "pirate"? Or are you a dinosaur?

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RE[2]: Fiddlesticks...
by qbast on Sat 11th Sep 2010 19:14 in reply to "RE: Fiddlesticks..."
qbast Member since:
2010-02-08


A final thought: How different in attitude are the above EULAs from "either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any later version" recommended for use with the GPL?


GPLs gives user the ability to choose whatever version of GPL he wants to follow. Quite the opposite from EULA.

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RE[3]: Fiddlesticks...
by ricegf on Sat 11th Sep 2010 21:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Fiddlesticks..."
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

You nailed it exactly. That's why my first preference is always for GPL software, and my second preference is for "permissively licensed" software. The rest I simply prefer (and almost always am able) to avoid.

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