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Apple I love OSNews, but it does seem like some of its editors enjoy just a little too much taking a good natured jab at Apple upon occasion (well, more like every chance that particular editor can get). I thought it time for a little good news and analysis about Apple that critics often overlook.
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Nice Article
by NeoX on Thu 16th Sep 2010 23:43 UTC
NeoX
Member since:
2006-02-19

I really liked your article, it was a good read. I agree that there are a lot of overly critical people here and on other such tech sites.

The "Apple Tax" will always be a fallacy that people cling too and it is simply ridicules to this day. My first Power Mac was 15 years ago and it was a Power Mac 7200/75 that I picked up for $500 brand new on a clearance sale to make room for the newer models. It was a great Mac that lasted several years until I finally sold it, long after the G3 and G4 came out. For classic applications it ran awesome. I could not by a similar PC for that money in 1996.

I have helped literally 100's of people buy computers of all types. Anytime a Mac was in the equation it was usually chosen, especially PowerBooks, iMacs, MacBooks, Performas, you name it. And prices were always competitive in the class of computer that they wanted to purchase.

Sure you can build a high-performance PC for cheaper then a Mac, but not by much when you factor everything in.

The $1500 Mac Pro Clone mentioned above, did it really have all the specs of the Mac Pro? Did it have the workstation class CPU, the server like drive bays, the heavy aluminum expandable case and high-end power supply? Did it have the same quality error correcting server class RAM and expandability? I seriously doubt it and if you added all those things that $1500 would go far closer to the cost of a Mac Pro.

Has no one heard the expression you get what you pay for? Sure I can buy a Hyundai Sonata, but it cannot compare to a similar model Lexus. I can by a Mitsubishi Eclipse but it cannot compare to a BMW Z3 or Mercedes SLK, from a quality and performance standpoint. Apple computers have a degree of Fit and Finish that you just cannot get with any other computer maker. It is evident from the time you open up your Mac package.

Also the software Apple creates is on a level of its own. People sometimes take for granted just how good the iLife suite is, not to mention OS X itself, until they have tried to find alternatives like it on Windows. Save your search there is nothing quite as elegant as these tools.

I am a die hard Computer user, going back to the days of Commodore Vic-20. I have seen, used, built and owned just about every computer you can have. I was an Amiga user in the early Mac days but the last 10 years have shown me that there is nothing quite like an Apple computer. Don't get me wrong, I have often sold people on a good Windows system too, depending on their needs. But give an Apple Mac a try and I don't think you will be disappointed. Well unless you are a hardcore gamer! ;-)

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RE: Nice Article
by WorknMan on Fri 17th Sep 2010 00:02 in reply to "Nice Article"
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2005-11-13

Also the software Apple creates is on a level of its own. People sometimes take for granted just how good the iLife suite is, not to mention OS X itself, until they have tried to find alternatives like it on Windows. Save your search there is nothing quite as elegant as these tools.


Surely, you're joking, right? I've never played with iTunes much on OSX, but it must be something REALLY special, because the Windows version is the biggest piece of shit known to man. (Well, maybe not quite as bad as the Zune software, but pretty close.) I had to set up iTunes on my parents' computer to manually sync an iPod/iPad, because they didn't want the same content going to both devices. And well... let's just say I would rather tongue the sweaty asshole of a Kenyan marathon runner than to do that again. The first thing I had to do was to convince iTunes to NOT delete everything on the iPad, which it wanted to do simply because I had made the mistake of syncing it on my computer before I did it on theirs. Actually, I pretty much had to because I set the iPad up at my house, and it wouldn't f**king operate out of the box until it talked to iTunes first. To me, iTunes is like an airplane. It does fine if you let it do its thing, but the minute you need to take it off 'auto pilot' and assume control, it crashes and burns.

That's what I love about my Droid Incredible - I plug it in to my PC, and it's a drive letter. No Apple bloatware is required. Why the concept of mass storage is so goddamn complicated to so many people is beyond me.

BTW: Bought a Dell in Feb of 2002, and it's still running 8 and a half years later, with the same mobo, hard drive, CPU, and PSU.

Edited 2010-09-17 00:08 UTC

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RE[2]: Nice Article
by NeoX on Fri 17th Sep 2010 00:13 in reply to "RE: Nice Article"
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19


Surely, you're joking, right? I've never played with iTunes much on OSX, but it must be something REALLY special, because the Windows version is the biggest piece of shit known to man. (Well, maybe not quite as bad as the Zune software, but pretty close.) I had to set up iTunes on my parents' computer to manually sync an iPod/iPad, because they didn't want the same content going to both devices. And well... let's just say I would rather tongue the sweaty asshole of a Kenyan marathon runner than to do that again. The first thing I had to do was to convince iTunes to NOT delete everything on the iPad, which it wanted to do simply because I had made the mistake of syncing it on my computer before I did it on theirs. Actually, I pretty much had to because I set the iPad up at my house, and it wouldn't f**king operate out of the box until it talked to iTunes first. To me, iTunes is like an airplane. It does fine if you let it do its thing, but the minute you need to take it off 'auto pilot' and assume control, it crashes and burns.

That's what I love about my Droid Incredible - I plug it in to my PC, and it's a drive letter. No Apple bloatware is required. Why the concept of mass storage is so goddamn complicated to so many people is beyond me.


iTunes is not really part of iLife any longer. It is standalone and on Windows it definitely is a dog. But on Mac it is decent.

No I am referring to the iLife suite with iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, iWeb and Garageband. If you have used these at all you would know that there is not much to compare it to in the Windows world. There are a few imitators but no duplicators... Windows Photo manager that came with Vista was a step in the right direction, but even the Live version that you get with Windows 7 or Windows Live cannot compete with iPhoto. Just try the face detection in the Windows Live version and then try the Face detection in iPhoto to see what i mean. The MS version is very inaccurate and no where near as intuitive.

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RE[2]: Nice Article
by henrikmk on Fri 17th Sep 2010 07:33 in reply to "RE: Nice Article"
henrikmk Member since:
2005-07-10

iTunes isn't part of iLife, but I agree that the iTunes strategy of piping everything through iTunes must be a business decision, because it doesn't make technical sense.

iLife is a different story however. These apps are really well made and are a big showcase of the technologies that OSX use, such as CoreVideo, CoreAudio and CoreAnimation.
This is where Apple shines for the personal user. You can't use them all that well for professional use, but watch a casual user with these apps.

This isn't crapware, but well-engineered software that is built not to be thrown aside after giving up on how to use them and the target audience is quite specific.

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RE[2]: Nice Article
by sithlord2 on Fri 17th Sep 2010 07:36 in reply to "RE: Nice Article"
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2009-04-02

"Also the software Apple creates is on a level of its own. People sometimes take for granted just how good the iLife suite is, not to mention OS X itself, until they have tried to find alternatives like it on Windows. Save your search there is nothing quite as elegant as these tools.


Surely, you're joking, right? I've never played with iTunes much on OSX, but it must be something REALLY special, because the Windows version is the biggest piece of shit known to man. (Well, maybe not quite as bad as the Zune software, but pretty close.) I had to set up iTunes on my parents' computer to manually sync an iPod/iPad, because they didn't want the same content going to both devices. And well... let's just say I would rather tongue the sweaty asshole of a Kenyan marathon runner than to do that again. The first thing I had to do was to convince iTunes to NOT delete everything on the iPad, which it wanted to do simply because I had made the mistake of syncing it on my computer before I did it on theirs. Actually, I pretty much had to because I set the iPad up at my house, and it wouldn't f**king operate out of the box until it talked to iTunes first. To me, iTunes is like an airplane. It does fine if you let it do its thing, but the minute you need to take it off 'auto pilot' and assume control, it crashes and burns.
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Uhum... He is not talking about iTunes, he is talking about iLife Suite. iLife suite contains a complete audio-recording solution (GarageBand), a html-editor (iWeb), a DVD authoring package (iDVD), and a good movie-editor (iMovie).

Next time you go into a rant, make sure you talk about about the same thing.

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RE[2]: Nice Article
by apoclypse on Fri 17th Sep 2010 20:22 in reply to "RE: Nice Article"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

He said iLiife not iTunes. iTune sis not part of iLife.

iLife includes Garageband, iMovie, iWeb (I think), iPhoto, and some other stuff. For the price nothing comes close to it. Though I think MS is trying their own take on the bundle. Garageband by itself is worth is the price of iLife. Its a full fledged DAW, that is simple and easy to use, but is based off of a pro-grade audio engine (Logic). It allows for full access to you plugins unlike other much more expensive artists versions of similar software, and Apple usually tests newer plugins, and concepts there before they make it to the big bro.

iTunes is shit, wherever you install it. its not as bad on OSX as it is on Windows in certain instances, but its still slow, clunky and downright awfully designed due to its patchwork nature. My biggest gripe with it is that the iTunes store takes longer to load on the stupid thing than my Library, which is over 400GBs (I buy a lot of shows).

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