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Apple I love OSNews, but it does seem like some of its editors enjoy just a little too much taking a good natured jab at Apple upon occasion (well, more like every chance that particular editor can get). I thought it time for a little good news and analysis about Apple that critics often overlook.
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RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi
by kaiwai on Sun 19th Sep 2010 04:45 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Tuishimi"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

What? As a work machine running windows 7? No? I built the equivalent of a mac pro in computing power (quad core, ATI 5850, 8 GB RAM, 3 TB of disk space, etc.) but was then required to switch to Windows so I switched to running Windows 7 full time on it. I am a software engineer and the more cores and the more memory I have the better when I am building apps and running several different web servers at a time.

Don't get me wrong, My son has my old Intel iMac, and my daughter has my old G5 iMac... I keep them and use them. I'm just saying I was able to build the equivalent of a Mac Pro for $1500. Period.


Again you fail to actually explain to me why you require a Mac Pro when an iMac would do in the first place. I have already accepted in another post on this same article (do you actually read peoples posts?) where I said that the Mac Pro was horrifically over priced for what it provides - that you're better off getting a maxed out top of the line iMac than go down the route and get Mac Pro.

I come back and ask again, do you actually need a Mac Pro is it more a matter of having a 'tower' fetish of believing that real men who have real work to be done require a computer with a stand alone case ?

You know, I don't know exactly what you are trying to get out (in reference to the rest of your post that I chopped out)... My household uses macs. We have:

4 Apple routers
1 iPhone
2 iPods
1 Intel iMac
1 G5 iMac
1 Macbook
and one old G4 Mac Mini.

My point was that the author is stretching HIS points a little. You can have the equivalent computing power for less money. Maybe not for better style, but for less money. As far as durability goes, I chose my components carefully and still spent far less money than I would have on the Mac Pro. Looks good, but when I build my own machine I know what goes in it, I am able to apply better cooling mechanisms, and while it isn't as pretty, my Cooler Master case isn't have bad looking, and is pretty functional.


It has nothing to do with 'computer power', the term 'computer power' is the biggest load of horse crap since GWB post-9/11 speech where he said 'they had us because of our freedoms'. You purchase a computer to get a task done and quite frankly 'computer power' is but one on a long list of things I consider and no, I don't consider 'looks' as important as you may think - so stop projecting this bullcrap that some how every Mac user is a clueless idiot whose only concern is with aesthetics. I purchase my Mac because I prefer using Mac OS X - when people like you start labelling Mac users as moronic idiots dragged around by the nose because of looks rather than substance you better damn well back up such claims. You've failed to back up such claims every time you've opened your mouth and spouted such crap - and quite frankly I couldn't care about your 'Cool Master case' when it is coupled with a crap operating system, zero support in terms of warranty and having to deal with compatibility quirks between the different components.

Edited 2010-09-19 04:47 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sun 19th Sep 2010 05:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

I come back and ask again, do you actually need a Mac Pro is it more a matter of having a 'tower' fetish of believing that real men who have real work to be done require a computer with a stand alone case ?

Kaiwai, what's up your pipe? My original post was simple and easy for a 2 year old to understand. I built a computer with the equivalent CPU, memory speed, and BETTER graphics card than a Mac Pro for much less. That was IT. What's your problem?

What the hell does NEED have to do with my original post. I was simply pointing out that I can build a computer equivalent to a Mac Pro for less. Maybe YOU SHOULD READ my original post from whence you launched your attack.

But I DID answer you. I want a computer that can run RoR, JBoss and Apache servers (3 at a time) and compile our entire web site and services, and run tests on AT THE SAME TIME while connecting to a database 3000 miles away. Also while I have multiple documents open via MS Word and our HTML APIs. I want as much speed as I can garner from my system to do this so that I don't have to wait for compilations and deployements constantly and spend more time testing and coding - not waiting.

And I disagree that computational power is a load of horse crap since I want as much speed and multiprocessing capability I can get at a reasonable price. YOU aren't proving anything to ME except that you can spew rhetoric better than most people. Which isn't saying much.

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RE[5]: Comment by Tuishimi
by kaiwai on Mon 20th Sep 2010 02:41 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Kaiwai, what's up your pipe? My original post was simple and easy for a 2 year old to understand. I built a computer with the equivalent CPU, memory speed, and BETTER graphics card than a Mac Pro for much less. That was IT. What's your problem?


To which I pointed out that there are other computers from Apple you could have chosen from - your whole post was nothing more than a pathetic rant implicitly claiming that the Mac Pro was some how the only computer on offer by Apple. I stated before the Mac Pro was a rip off and you're better of getting an iMac and all you do is piss and moan about the Mac Pro as if were the only system on offer.

What the hell does NEED have to do with my original post. I was simply pointing out that I can build a computer equivalent to a Mac Pro for less. Maybe YOU SHOULD READ my original post from whence you launched your attack.


Then don't talk in hypotheticals unless you're talking about a real world scenario that one can marry up to what Apple provides; if your requirements sit outside the scope of what Apple is willing to cater for then get components and build one yourself, go to a big name vendor like Dell or HP and purchase one.

But I DID answer you. I want a computer that can run RoR, JBoss and Apache servers (3 at a time) and compile our entire web site and services, and run tests on AT THE SAME TIME while connecting to a database 3000 miles away. Also while I have multiple documents open via MS Word and our HTML APIs. I want as much speed as I can garner from my system to do this so that I don't have to wait for compilations and deployements constantly and spend more time testing and coding - not waiting.


So what you want sits out side what Apple is willing to provide - so why is there even an argument? it would be like me saying that Dell sucks because their all in one computer doesn't have what I want or their Studio range such because it is heavier and thicker than my MacBook Pro. Each company position their products to cater for a particular market and if they don't cater for my requirements life goes on and I choose something else. Simply because Dell doesn't sell me what I want doesn't make them automatically suck - they simply don't cater for what I want.

And I disagree that computational power is a load of horse crap since I want as much speed and multiprocessing capability I can get at a reasonable price. YOU aren't proving anything to ME except that you can spew rhetoric better than most people. Which isn't saying much.


No, speed isn't the 'be all and end all' if the reliability is a complete clusterf--k - when I'm writing my thesis for university, making videos and so on I couldn't care a rats ass whether it was the fastest computer on the planet if the net result is something that kernel panics every 30 minutes. Performance isn't the be all and end all - and my experience so far with Mac OS X is that it certainly doesn't fall behind the eighth ball when it comes to speed. My MacBook with a 9400M when benchmarked gets around 400fps from OpenGL 1.0 to OpenGL 2.1, my iMac with a Radeon 2600 HD is around 1200fps from OpenGL 1.0 to OpenGL 2.1. So no, Mac OS X isn't castrating performance but compared to Windows - maybe I like the idea that there is a consistent outcome rather than hearing from users that their fonts are fuzzy because of driver related issues and other weird stuff that happens.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sun 19th Sep 2010 05:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Here is my original post in case you missed it:
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Apple has always taken a beating for the so-called "Apple Tax" the premium customers pay over similarly equipped PCs.


I built a Mac Pro Clone for $1500 a year or so ago. It actually ran OS X for awhile, until I had to go Windows for work.

These network related advances have revolutionized networking, making what was once difficult, painfully simple.

There are other wireless routers that come with easy-to-use software. While I have, and use, 4 Apple wireless routers in my home (overkill a little - but we get a lot of radio interference in our area) I would not hesitate to purchase another brand.

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Now, however you got all those things you accused me of from that, I don't know, but if you were trying to piss me off with a load of bull crap you have succeeded. Does that please you? Stop reading between the lines and take what is written for what it is. Idiot.

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RE[5]: Comment by Tuishimi
by kaiwai on Mon 20th Sep 2010 02:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I built a Mac Pro Clone for $1500 a year or so ago. It actually ran OS X for awhile, until I had to go Windows for work.


Then the Apple Mac isn't for you - so why is there even a debate? you purchase a Mac because you want to run Mac OS X; if you don't want to run Mac OS X then it is entirely a waste of money to purchase a Mac and run Windows full time on it.

Now, however you got all those things you accused me of from that, I don't know, but if you were trying to piss me off with a load of bull crap you have succeeded. Does that please you? Stop reading between the lines and take what is written for what it is. Idiot.


Oh yes, the PC user logic coming right out now - when you fail to address valid points being raised you attack the person personally. You're as bad as those people who go out of their way to create whole websites bashing Mac's. You're like the Fred Phelps of the PC world who hates Mac's so much you spend you ever waking moment thinking about it - which says more about you than anything about Mac users.

I don't feel the need to spend hours trying to get Windows working on my computer like I see people lustfully slobbering over Mac OS X and trying to get it running on their home made PC. I'm happy with what I've got and if you want to run Windows then all power to you - whatever floats your boat. What I have a problem with are people some how saying that Mac's suck in general because they don't match your specific requirements. The issue has nothing to do with 'being sore' about people hating Mac's (I couldn't give a crap what people think in that regard) but people who knowingly lie and do so with impunity.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sun 19th Sep 2010 05:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh, and lastly, project my pointy-toed cowboy boot up your ass.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Sun 19th Sep 2010 05:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Arg. Kaiwai. I apologize for being rude. That was uncalled for. In the future I will simply endeavor to answer your questions without becoming emotional about it.

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RE[4]: Comment by Tuishimi
by Tuishimi on Tue 21st Sep 2010 22:51 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Tuishimi"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Again you fail to actually explain to me why you require a Mac Pro when an iMac would do in the first place. I have already accepted in another post on this same article (do you actually read peoples posts?) where I said that the Mac Pro was horrifically over priced for what it provides - that you're better off getting a maxed out top of the line iMac than go down the route and get Mac Pro.


Again? I didn't know I had to try in the first place, nor did I realize you were the keeper of such knowlege and I was required to explain my life and needs to you. Forgive me! And no, I did not see your other post as I was simply clicking on an email notification that brought me directly to your response. Do you ever do that?


I come back and ask again, do you actually need a Mac Pro is it more a matter of having a 'tower' fetish of believing that real men who have real work to be done require a computer with a stand alone case ?


In another response you accused me of an ad hominem attack... what the hell is this? And you said this before I let my rant go... pot, kettle, black.

It has nothing to do with 'computer power', the term 'computer power' is the biggest load of horse crap since GWB post-9/11 speech where he said 'they had us because of our freedoms'.


That's subjective bull-droppings. I agree that you buy a computer to get a job done. But there is such a thing as computational power and it does make a difference. Obviously if you don't USE your computer for anything other than blogging or homework, you don't need a computer with much power, as it appears to be the case with you.

You purchase a computer to get a task done and quite frankly 'computer power' is but one on a long list of things I consider

and no, I don't consider 'looks' as important as you may think - so stop projecting this bullcrap that some how every Mac user is a clueless idiot whose only concern is with aesthetics.


Please oh please tell me where I even intimated that? Please! Seriously. Where did you get that from? Did you smoke something and have a vision that told you I felt that way or something? Because a) I never said anything like that and b) I am an apple user. I don't think you are a clueless idiot, but I do think you have an overactive imagination.

I purchase my Mac because I prefer using Mac OS X - when people like you start labelling Mac users as moronic idiots


Again, WHERE DID YOU GET THAT FROM? If YOU ever read MY other posts on OSNews you would see that I am rather FOND of Apple and their products. But obviously you did not and have not... you only read what suits you and then you make up other stuff to fill in the cracks that you want a post to say.

I couldn't care about your 'Cool Master case' when it is coupled with a crap operating system, zero support in terms of warranty and having to deal with compatibility quirks between the different components.


Yeah, you don't get a "warranty" on Apple products (for more than a basic 90 days) unless you fork over more $$$ as well. I know because our iPhone, and MacBook both have extended warranties. The G5 had one but it has expired.

And what compatibility quirks are you talking about? So you've owned a cooler master case and you've built your own PC before? You encountered quirks? What might those have been?

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