Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Sep 2010 23:20 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Well, this certainly isn't particularly surprising. The rising popularity of Android leaves more victims in its wake than just Windows Mobile. Sony Ericsson, one of the major manufacturers of Symbian phones (other than Nokia) has just announced it will pretty much abandon the platform to focus entirely on Android - leaving Nokia as the sole person cheering for team Symbian.
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OSGuy
Member since:
2006-01-01

Your statements sadly show that you have no clue about Nokia.
While it's true that Nokia did mistakes and and did not move fast enough, it is completely wrong that Nokia "did NOTHING!"


Don't have a clue? I think you assume I don't have a clue. I am well aware Nokia bought out Trolltech and I am also well aware when Trolltech relaxed the license *before the Nokia buyout* and before that the KDE community was restless I think it was around the year 2000. I am also aware of Maemo - a platform that Nokia developed - based on Debian Linux and Moblin developed by Intel which have now become MeeGo. So, no I am not clueless as you may think.

My prediction of the future: Maemo was a failure, Moblin was also a failure and the new MeeGo will also fail. Basically everything based on a "typical Linux/XFree86/XOrg" will fail. I have used MeeGo on my PC, I do not find it amusing at all. Google Android on the other hand is a different story - a true example that Linux can be successful among general consumers if done correctly. And no I still disagree. Creating yet another typical Linux distro to me is NOTHING. Creating something different such as Android IS something.

Edited 2010-09-25 12:17 UTC

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Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

MeeGo is a failure? That might explain why the WeTab is already sold out [/snark]

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vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

Basically everything based on a "typical Linux/XFree86/XOrg" will fail.


Why do you think this is the case? Give us something concrete please, like "this stack can't reach 60fps on average application" - because that stuff can be proven to be false.

I have used MeeGo on my PC, I do not find it amusing at all.


I'm sorry it failed to amuse you.

Google Android on the other hand is a different story - a true example that Linux can be successful among general consumers if done correctly.


Android is proof point for Java. It doesn't say much about Linux since it's hardly Linux at all. Mac OS X is more Linux than Android is.

Creating yet another typical Linux distro to me is NOTHING. Creating something different such as Android IS something.


Companies are here to make business, in whatever collaborative setting is appropriate. They are not here to amuse you.

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tryfan Member since:
2006-12-16

"It doesn't say much about Linux since it's hardly Linux at all. Mac OS X is more Linux than Android is."

Repeating a wrong doesn't make it right. Linux is the kernel - even if Google has made changes to the kernel, it's basically linux.
OSX doesn't have anything near a linux kernel.
The argument that usually comes next, that "people mean the whole thing when they're talking about linux" is totally pointless.

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tbcpp Member since:
2006-02-06

Wow...just wow....Linux is a kernel, not a OS. OS X shares nothing kernel wise with Linux. I know you were trying to make some sort of point, but Android is Linux with Java and some other stuff strapped on. OS X is Linux? That's just wrong....

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Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

the new MeeGo will also fail.

Meego was already chosen to be the standard (with a grain of salt) operating system for cars. It's hardly a failure.

http://www.osnews.com/story/23597/MeeGo_Chosen_by_Automotive_Techno...

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werterr Member since:
2006-10-03

I hardly think Maemo was a failure. Technology wise it was actually pretty darn good.

Compared to Android phones it wins hands down. (I have no experience with iPhones but from what I see and hear I'm not impressed)

Mind-share wise yeah, Nokia and thus Maemo has lost there. But technology wise Maemo is not bad and the N900 as a phone proofs that.

After being forced to spend two weeks on a Android (Cupcake) phone it was clear that this platform is technically inferior to the N900 on many levels. (As well as not being very user friendly IMHO)

Now you can argue that cupcake is old, but then again the phone is locked to this version and there is no means to upgrade without voiding all warranty. Also several of the major bugs I found there still open on 2.x so no gain there.

Sure I've got my share of gripes with Nokia; about Maemo's stale userland, slow development of Maemo, more or less letting it bleed to die, the idiotic reasonings of Maemo community about security (they do not want to implement shadow file and strong crypto on passwords because the a phone device is inheritly insecure ? sorry but that's just stupid), and how things went with the hole Meego move.

But Maemo as an OS and Phone is hardly a failure.

Considering the small amount of N900 phones that where made in the beginning and it being targeted to developers/geeks it could actually be called a success.

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OSGuy Member since:
2006-01-01

I hardly think Maemo was a failure. Technology wise it was actually pretty darn good.


It is not? Why don't I see it as widespread as iOS and the droid? To me that indicates a failure. Sure the technology might be good but that doesn't necessarily indicate success.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I'm still a little up in the air over the Meego merger though. I have a lot of .deb that have been carried across two previous devices which may get cut off unless Meego manages to support deb and rpm (I hear it'll at least be rpm with apt-get/aptitude managers).

After playing with two Iphones in the house and looking seriously at three Android devices (to the point of looking up howto for planned uses), N900 hardware is fantastic and Maemo on it blows the other's away for my needs. I really hope they don't stuff the Maemo community any more than they already have.

(Why they agreed to have Meego based on Moblin's RPM rather than a direct fork of Debian; I'll never figure out.)

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