Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Sep 2010 23:20 UTC
Google A few days ago I dove into the lawsuit filed by Skyhook against Google, and came to the conclusion that Skyhook's case - while an entirely plausible sequence of events considering Google is a big company and hence prone to abuse - simply wasn't a very good one. Google's CEO Eric Schmidt has given a rather generic-looking statement on the matter, but however generic it may be, there's a hint in there.
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RE[2]: It's deja vu all over again
by kaiwai on Sun 26th Sep 2010 22:20 UTC in reply to "RE: It's deja vu all over again"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

I would say Linux (Android), Apple and Symbian if you think globally, or Linux, Apple and RIM if you think Western Hemisphere. Windows Mobile 7 is just coming out the door, and doesn't seem to have much momentum at all. I just don't see it displacing the entrenched competition.

Then again, those words were said by many about Android just a couple of years ago. Of course, Android is still kind of new and fresh; We've had Windows Mobile for nearly 10 years (13 if you count the original WinCE) and it's never really taken off.


Windows Phone 7 is an entirely different beast to previous releases so the comparison aren't even comparing Apples with Apples. You note about momentum - how do you define that? Microsoft's focus is on quality third party applications and not merely quantity. I can tell you that the AppStore may boast raw numbers but the share amount of worthless crap out number the amount of good software that is available.

Windows Phone 7 is providing an entirely new foundation for future development that fits their larger enterprise direction. Rather than the disjointed clusterfuck that existed before - you're going to have Silverlight applications that can scale from the desktop down to the handheld. The ability to develop one application and deploy it throughout your company without needing to tweak it for each platform it sits on. It is a much needed step in the right direction when compared to the old way of doing things.

Do I think Microsoft is worried about the competition? sure but their primary focus I would say right now with Windows Phone 7 is firstly on the enterprise market with their complete ecosystem with probably more consumer focused devices being released with maybe Windows Phone 7.1.

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Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

Momentum could be defined by the answer to "dear developers, which platform do you intend to develop for in the close future?". So far, it is true that iOS grabed the lion's share.
http://www.appcelerator.com/mobile-developer-survey-june-2010/
http://www.macworld.com/article/150690/2010/04/mobile_app_developme...
Mobile Developer Surveys only register what is the latest fad, but given that mobile app development doesn't take too long, that translates to new, trendy apps.

Of course, that can shift very quickly (especially with the saturation in the app stores of the leading platforms).

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Momentum could be defined by the answer to "dear developers, which platform do you intend to develop for in the close future?". So far, it is true that iOS grabed the lion's share.
http://www.appcelerator.com/mobile-developer-survey-june-2010/
http://www.macworld.com/article/150690/2010/04/mobile_app_developme...
Mobile Developer Surveys only register what is the latest fad, but given that mobile app development doesn't take too long, that translates to new, trendy apps.

Of course, that can shift very quickly (especially with the saturation in the app stores of the leading platforms).


Considering that the finalised SDK has been out for around a month, and the complete details as so far as the actual devices that will be available at launch - I am not surprised that developers are being cautious, that is, not to get too optimistic. Right now we're in the midst of a recession and money is tight, businesses want to know the full details instead of jumping into something of an unknown quantity - so the I'm not surprised with the responses.

The saving grace for Apple has been their international market and in many cases their phones not being locked to a particular carrier - you can purchase an iPhone completely and then use it on the XT Network if you want (instead of Vodafone). Many people who wouldn't have otherwise bought one if it were locked to Vodafone now can. The question will be whether there is a relationship though between the locking in of the phone to a carrier in the US and how that compares to developer numbers. Are the developers on iOS doing so because it is a combination of developer tools, a large customer base and the lack of a viable alternative with a similar ecosystem? if Microsoft provides a similar ecosystem on multiple phones on multiple carriers are developers going to be more open - especially those who are using Adobe's development tool right now and target iOS using it.

I also question surveys as well - people give the answer they think is the right one. I've hung around casually on mailing lists and forums and there certainly isn't the certain market share that Apple would like to think they have. Developers are very fickle and if someone provides a better development environment it will be easy to woo developers away. XCode 4.0 is a major step so that might alone stem the tide but if Apple becomes more anal about rejecting software for trivial reasons some developers might just throw in the towel and target a platform that isn't hell bent on being the inconsistent gatekeeper.

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