Linked by David Adams on Wed 6th Oct 2010 16:51 UTC
Apple Let me tell you, when what you teach and develop every day has the title "Innovation" attached to it, you reach a point where you tire of hearing about Apple. Without question, nearly everyone believes the equation Apple = Innovation is a fundamental truth--akin to the second law of thermodynamics, Boyle's Law, or Moore's Law. But ask these same people if they understand exactly how Apple comes up with their ideas and what approach the company uses to develop blockbuster products--whether it is a fluky phenomenon or based on a repeatable set of governing principles--and you mostly get a dumbfounded stare. This response is what frustrates me most, because people worship what they don't understand.
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What about the ipod?
by nt_jerkface on Wed 6th Oct 2010 19:45 UTC
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It sure as hell wasn't innovative and there were much better mp3 players on the market. I have a 5g laying around somewhere and the interface is cumbersome and looks like it is from 1996.

The first few generations were sold entirely thanks to marketing. I still can't believe how many people bought into that white earbuds trend. The recent ipod touch and nano are far better than their earlier models but I think their marketing department really deserves the most credit for getting that product line going. I couldn't believe how many people wanted one for Christmas thanks to those shadow dancing commercials.

The iphone was pretty innovative but I think as a company they are overrated when it comes to innovation. A lot of people have no idea as to how much of OSX was taken from somewhere else. I think they are good at taking existing tech, refining it, and then convincing people that it is a completely new product. Refining and marketing is really where they excel.

Edited 2010-10-06 19:46 UTC

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RE: What about the ipod?
by tetek on Wed 6th Oct 2010 19:53 in reply to "What about the ipod?"
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2010-10-04

It wasn't so bad:

http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/first-gen-ipod...

They all look alike in that year:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Mini-Yepp-Player-YP-20T/dp/B00005B4BS

Their innovation was that they used a hard drive. Other mp3 player had 32MB of Flash memory. And now you have 5GB in small case.

A lot of people have no idea as to how much of OSX was taken from somewhere else

Everything was taken from something else i.e. icons - Xerox anyone?

It's not about where is it from - is't about how it's used.

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RE[2]: What about the ipod?
by Kroc on Wed 6th Oct 2010 20:02 in reply to "RE: What about the ipod?"
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2005-11-10

There was the Creative Jukebox, hard drive, colour screen, FM radio.

The reason the iPod destroyed all the other MP3 players was 1) it was easy to use and 2) it was easy to sync. The rest reacted too late and were sunk.

http://www.engadget.com/2005/01/12/creatives-ceo-disses-the-ipod-sh...

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RE[2]: What about the ipod?
by nt_jerkface on Wed 6th Oct 2010 20:09 in reply to "RE: What about the ipod?"
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2009-08-26


They all look alike in that year:

I was talking about the 5th gen that came out in 2005.
They also had problems that went past the interface
http://www.macintouch.com/reliability/ipodfailures.html


Their innovation was that they used a hard drive. Other mp3 player had 32MB of Flash memory. And now you have 5GB in small case.

They were not the first to do that. See my earlier comment about refining and marketing.


It's not about where is it from - is't about how it's used.

I have no problem with them refining existing tech, and I already said they are innovative in some areas. I just think they are overrated when it comes to innovation.

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RE: What about the ipod?
by Kroc on Wed 6th Oct 2010 20:04 in reply to "What about the ipod?"
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2005-11-10

"Refining and marketing is really where they excel."

If only more companies could do that. I’m tired of companies pushing out half finished products and spreading FUD.

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