Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Oct 2010 21:56 UTC
Legal So, Google has finally officially responded (thanks for hosting, Engadget) to Oracle's patent and copyright infringement lawsuit against the search giant's Android mobile operating system. Apart from boatloads of pages on how Google pretty much denies any and all claims, there's a lot of interesting stuff in there - stuff that doesn't seem to bode well if the courts do decide Google is infringing Oracle's patents. It also makes it crystal clear that anyone who values Free and open source software should avoid Oracle products like the plague.
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RE: It is google's fault.
by igf1 on Sat 9th Oct 2010 05:09 UTC in reply to "It is google's fault. "
igf1
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2008-11-17

man, I gotta say it, I find the FSF's position on this matter, terminally disappointing. I mean, coming from a group that literally did exactly the same thing (cloned) to C and C++ and Python and Pascal and other languages. Google did, what everyone since the dawn of civilization has done. They saw something they liked and forked it. Hell, Java (my #1 lang BTW) is a derivative as is everything else. Google, played fair here, they re-designed it from the ground up, to suite their needs and they should have EVERY right to do so. They don't have to be bound by a licence that imposes one groups version of "freedom" on others. I personally think freedom has to fight for freedom regardless of (gulp) "alliance".

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RE[2]: It is google's fault.
by gnufreex on Sat 9th Oct 2010 21:03 in reply to "RE: It is google's fault. "
gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

I think you misunderstood what they said.

FSF didn't say Google shouldn't make Dalvik. They said Google could defend better from a lawsuit if they used some of GPL'd code from OpenJDK (which Oracle distributes, and gives patent grant), and if they released Dalvik under GPL. And that is factual statement.

Then they criticized Oracle because any offensive use of patents against free sofware is inexcusable. They practically sided with Google, just mentioned that Google could avoid this.

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RE[3]: It is google's fault.
by igf1 on Sun 10th Oct 2010 20:47 in reply to "RE[2]: It is google's fault. "
igf1 Member since:
2008-11-17

I fully understand the comments made by the FSF. I'm saying that they used this law suit as a promotional opportunity. That's not in the spirit of freedom. One of the more questionable assertions is that the GPL2 is a "strong defense" against patent attacks. It's not, GPLv2, has an implied (open to interpretation) patent license. It doesn't contain explicit licensing as the Apache 2 and GPL3 licenses do. This move was quite intentional by Sun, as it feared forking more than anything, and would have had little control over java's development had they gone with v3. Don't get me wrong, Google's no saint here, and they certainly tend to bow out when it comes time to take a stand against the dark side of big business. Oddly enough, process patents are one such example. I find their presumed neutrality on the issue very strange indeed, as they have no patent extortion side business like Oracle, IBM, MS etc., are constantly extorted by others holding imagination monopolies and have a relatively anemic portfolio.

Just so were on the same page though, please remember that the FSF is a corporation, as such it panders and promotes. I just hate the tacky intellectually dishonest undertone of this statement... but that's just me ;)

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