Linked by vivainio on Thu 14th Oct 2010 11:31 UTC
KDE In his lengthy and interesting blog post covering the future of Plasma, KDE's Aaron Seigo proposes Qt Quick and QML (a declarative language that embeds JavaScript) as replacement of the Graphics View architecture currently used by Plasma. This holds a promise of massive speedups and cheap effects as all paint operations become candidates for OpenGL acceleration, contrary to the aging Graphics View architecture that is still stuck with various inefficiencies caused by the underlying QPainter approach. Expressiveness and easy programmability of QML is a nice bonus, of course.
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RE[4]: Just admit it...
by lemur2 on Fri 15th Oct 2010 00:55 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Just admit it..."
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

KDE is criticised only because commercial software interests need it to be criticised. Even F/OSS proponents who criticise KDE4 do it because commercial software wants them to do it? Lolwut?


There are a lot of people who do not have much more to say other than "me too". These people are not the ones who set the direction of what is discussed, and what is not.

There are too a number of people who pretend to be F/OSS proponents but who really are not. There is even an entire website dedicated to presenting articles about F/OSS but which somehow always seems to conclude that F/OSS is lacking in some way. I have in mind the site called Linux Insider.

All that you need to look at is what KDE is criticised for, and what about KDE is ignored. You might for example get a review and pages and pages of discussion about the design of KDE notifications and the gripe that an icon does not quite line up horizontally with the notification message or somesuch ... at yet there will be no mention at all in reviews that the KDE photo manager/editor application digikam is considerably better than FSpot in every way, or that K3b has been better for many a year than any GNOME desktop CD/DVD burner. You might get an article about the "inadequacy" of Linux PDF viewers that talks about Evince and XPDF, but entirely ignores Okular.

What gives with that? Why is it so? Who is driving the discussion along the lines of absolutely trivial and often plain incorrect criticism and bitching about KDE, and almost complete suppression of mention of its benefits and advanced features?

Edited 2010-10-15 01:04 UTC

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RE[5]: Just admit it...
by lemur2 on Fri 15th Oct 2010 01:21 in reply to "RE[4]: Just admit it..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"KDE is criticised only because commercial software interests need it to be criticised. Even F/OSS proponents who criticise KDE4 do it because commercial software wants them to do it? Lolwut?
There are a lot of people who do not have much more to say other than "me too". These people are not the ones who set the direction of what is discussed, and what is not. There are too a number of people who pretend to be F/OSS proponents but who really are not.

All that you need to look at is what KDE is criticised for, and what about KDE is ignored.
"

I'll try to give you an example:
http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/10/13/kubuntu-10-10/

This article purports to be a "review" of Kubuntu 10.10 but in effect all it says is that Kubuntu 10.10 is OK I suppose but "I found these six things which I didn't like". None of the criticism is actually correct. There is much uninformed discussion that ensues about the six things. There is an almost complete oversight of the actual quite decent KDE desktop in Kubuntu 10.10.

Sigh.

The very last user comment I feel sums it up nicely even if it is worded a little clumsily:
I get only impression from this article that the person is a gnome user and a nitpicker on person preference. Just try Kubuntu. I spent years bashing this distro to come back and see the flawless work and effort put into it. In my Opinion of just not using it for little and/or being a Gnome only.I for one use equally Gnome and KDE. I found it is Ubuntu that will need to catch up to Kubuntu. Even on distrowatch kubuntu with all the negative reviews of the past has hit 1k+ 7th place mark(that with there backpast history is a milestone. All I can say is Load it. Try it. The distro Speaks for itself.

Kubuntu FTW hands down.

I am using KDE 10.10 using Firefox, Running dual moniters, EVEonline, Wow, printing service with HP since beta without a single flaw and low system resources used. Little more the Gnome, But to sweet to pass up


Edited 2010-10-15 01:30 UTC

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RE[5]: Just admit it...
by DeadFishMan on Fri 15th Oct 2010 14:05 in reply to "RE[4]: Just admit it..."
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

All that you need to look at is what KDE is criticised for, and what about KDE is ignored. You might for example get a review and pages and pages of discussion about the design of KDE notifications and the gripe that an icon does not quite line up horizontally with the notification message or somesuch ... at yet there will be no mention at all in reviews that the KDE photo manager/editor application digikam is considerably better than FSpot in every way, or that K3b has been better for many a year than any GNOME desktop CD/DVD burner. You might get an article about the "inadequacy" of Linux PDF viewers that talks about Evince and XPDF, but entirely ignores Okular.

What gives with that? Why is it so? Who is driving the discussion along the lines of absolutely trivial and often plain incorrect criticism and bitching about KDE, and almost complete suppression of mention of its benefits and advanced features?


This is something that has been bothering me for a while as well. There are many cases where KDE and/or Qt applications are clearly better than the competition but online reviewers somehow manage to completely ignore them. And despite people trying their best to set the record straight in the comments section, when one is available, these "articles" and "reviews" keep coming up with the same old glaring omissions and the same old rehashed complaints about KDE faults that in some cases no longer apply or are not even valid to begin with!

Even worse is the trend of crediting Ubuntu for *everything* that happens on the Linux desktop, completely ignoring that other Linux distros have pretty much the same feature set and in some cases, as in with Fedora, having them before Ubuntu.

From the things that actually are unique about Ubuntu, the stuff that Canonical itself actually develops, the only thing that I can think of that is worth something is Ubuntu One - which can be easily replaced with Dropbox to some extent so no biggie there - and the integration of Rhythmbox with 7Digital's music store which is nice despite me not being a Rhythmbox user and Canonical's complete failure to integrate other music players such as Amarok in the same mold.

Funny thing is that even though I find KDE the best looking and more powerful DE out there, I am not even THAT biased towards KDE/Qt applications and will happily use GNOME/GTK applications when they're clearly better - GIMP, Audacity and Inkscape for instance - but these trends I discussed above and your observation have been really disturbing...

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RE[6]: Just admit it...
by WereCatf on Fri 15th Oct 2010 14:52 in reply to "RE[5]: Just admit it..."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

keep coming up with the same old glaring omissions and the same old rehashed complaints about KDE faults that in some cases no longer apply or are not even valid to begin with!

To be honest, it's no different in regards to GNOME either, you know.

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