Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 18th Oct 2010 16:00 UTC
In the News An interesting discussion is currently raging through the world of computing, or more accurately, through the world of bloggers and analysts. It basically comes down to this: should the iPad be included in laptop and desktop sales figures? If it is included - Apple becomes the largest PC manufacturer in the United States. But, if the iPad should be included - why not the modern smartphone?
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RE[2]: It cannot be included
by Drumhellar on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:26 UTC in reply to "RE: It cannot be included"
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

In all fairness, optical drives are standard on desktops/laptops, and to have a system without them is quite uncommon. Any system without an optical drive, I would consider special-purpose, and possibly not a PC.

However, currently, optical drives are not optional on an iPad.

There is also no standard way to operate an FTP server or run Flash on an iPad. It requires jailbreaking, which may void the warranty.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

No they're pretty common around these parts. I've had quite a few non technical friends buy them by accident.

In January, Apple may announce an external optical drive for the ipad. Does it automatically retroactively become a PC then?

While some designations are going to be arbitrary ( see the campaign for and against pluto's planet hood), you have to at least use reasonable methods to come to the arbitrary designations.

Edited 2010-10-18 19:43 UTC

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RE[3]: It cannot be included
by aesiamun on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:45 in reply to "RE[2]: It cannot be included"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

My Dell Mini 9 does not have an optical drive, so is it not a PC?

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RE[4]: It cannot be included
by Drumhellar on Mon 18th Oct 2010 20:02 in reply to "RE[3]: It cannot be included"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

The Mini 9 has enough of the other PC characteristics that it is still a PC.

It runs a desktop operating system, and if you plugged in a USB optical drive, it would work as-is.

An iPad, no.

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RE[3]: It cannot be included
by WereCatf on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:47 in reply to "RE[2]: It cannot be included"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

optical drives are standard on desktops/laptops, and to have a system without them is quite uncommon.

Atleast in Finland laptop systems without optical drives are becoming more and more common. Are they not PCs then?

There is also no standard way to operate an FTP server or run Flash on an iPad. It requires jailbreaking, which may void the warranty.

Neither of those things were standard from the get-go. Trying to argue that because one or another specific application is common nowadays and that only those systems which can run it are PCs is a really long stretch. Voiding or not voiding warranty has nothing to do with a device being PC or not.

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RE[4]: It cannot be included
by Drumhellar on Mon 18th Oct 2010 20:10 in reply to "RE[3]: It cannot be included"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Atleast in Finland laptop systems without optical drives are becoming more and more common. Are they not PCs then?


Do they meet a significant number of other PC characteristics, such as upgradability, expansion, and choice of software to run?

Everybody in this forum arguing in favor of the iPad being considered a PC seems to be arguing:

There are hard-and-fast rules on what makes a PC a PC, and violation of a single rule makes a system not a PC (Thus making a whole range of PCs suddenly not-PCs, which isn't correct), or, following only a single rule makes it a PC (despite only obeying a rule slightly).

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RE[3]: It cannot be included
by jgagnon on Mon 18th Oct 2010 19:49 in reply to "RE[2]: It cannot be included"
jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

My netbook did not come with an optical drive, but I bought one that plugs into a USB port. Was it not a PC before I made that additional purchase?

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