Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Oct 2010 22:22 UTC, submitted by vivainio
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu This is kind of... Well, good news, I suppose? It depends on where you allegiances lie, but it seems like Ubuntu is warming up to the idea of using Qt to develop applications. It's no secret that Qt is a far more advanced development framework than Gtk+, so it only makes sense for Ubuntu - a GNOME/Gtk+ distribution - is looking at it.
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RE: Comment by cmost
by lemur2 on Wed 20th Oct 2010 22:33 UTC in reply to "Comment by cmost"
lemur2
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2007-02-17

"Qt has a lot to offer Ubuntu..." Funny, you wouldn't know it from the sad state of Kubuntu presently.


Clearly a person who hasn't tried Kubuntu on 10.04 or 10.10. Its fine except for Kwin within KDE 4.5 with the ATI open source drivers just now, but that is a problem for any KDE 4.5 installation not just Kubuntu, and the only effect is to disable compositing. One can use compiz for KDE as a work-around.

In every other facet, Kubuntu 10.04 or 10.10 gives you a great desktop with a fine set of well-integrated KDE SC applications, and it is completely free of Mono as a bonus.

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RE[2]: Comment by cmost
by flynn on Wed 20th Oct 2010 23:03 in reply to "RE: Comment by cmost"
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2009-03-19

and it is completely free of Mono as a bonus.

Take your mono trolling elsewhere.

We get it, you don't like mono, so stop bringing it up in every other article already.

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RE[3]: Comment by cmost
by segedunum on Thu 21st Oct 2010 17:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by cmost"
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2005-07-06

Yer. Just where are all those .Net applications that could be turned into cross-platform ones and run on a Linux desktop under Mono.......?

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RE[2]: Comment by cmost
by testman on Wed 20th Oct 2010 23:53 in reply to "RE: Comment by cmost"
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2007-10-15

So it's fine, unless you have an ubiquitous video card in which case you'll have to disable default features in order to get things working?

Drivers fault or not, it's all part of a package and the package suffers for it. Having to search for workarounds after installation does not engender good first-impressions.

Thankfully my test machine uses an Intel chipset which seems well-supported (if a little sluggish). Overall, my personal first impressions are actually quite positive. If it can work with my Samsung MediaLive...

Edited 2010-10-20 23:58 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by cmost
by lemur2 on Thu 21st Oct 2010 00:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by cmost"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

So it's fine, unless you have an ubiquitous video card in which case you'll have to disable default features in order to get things working?


This affects only a few ATI and Intel cards, BTW.
You don't have to disble default features if you don't want to: alternative options are to use compiz for KDE instead of Kwin, or in the case of R600/R700 ATI cards you could use the proprietary fglrx driver instead of the open source ATI driver.

Drivers fault or not, it's all part of a package and the package suffers for it.


Yes ... but not the Kubuntu package, it is KDE 4.5 SC that is affected. This is just as true for Fedora, Arch, OpenSuse, whatever ... it is not a Kubuntu issue.

Having to search for workarounds after installation does not engender good first-impressions. Thankfully my test machine uses an Intel chipset which seems well-supported (if a little sluggish). Overall, my personal first impressions are actually quite positive. If it can work with my Samsung MediaLive...


Yes, it is only a few cards affected, it is affected for KDE 4.5 SC only (on any distribution), and it affects only the desktop compositing, for which an alternative (compiz for KDE) may be selected.

Not the best I grant you, but given that a few work arounds exist it is not an absolute disaster either. Remember also it is not a Kubuntu issue, not an issue for most graphics cards, and not a Qt issue.

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RE[2]: Comment by cmost
by cmost on Thu 21st Oct 2010 00:10 in reply to "RE: Comment by cmost"
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

""Qt has a lot to offer Ubuntu..." Funny, you wouldn't know it from the sad state of Kubuntu presently.


Clearly a person who hasn't tried Kubuntu on 10.04 or 10.10. Its fine except for Kwin within KDE 4.5 with the ATI open source drivers just now, but that is a problem for any KDE 4.5 installation not just Kubuntu, and the only effect is to disable compositing. One can use compiz for KDE as a work-around.

In every other facet, Kubuntu 10.04 or 10.10 gives you a great desktop with a fine set of well-integrated KDE SC applications, and it is completely free of Mono as a bonus.
"

Clearly, you're wrong! Actually, I've had Kubuntu running on my laptop since Kubuntu 9.10. KDE 4.x, itself is absolutely fine. What's missing is the myriad of customizations Canonical bakes into its Gnome based Ubuntu. Very few, if any customizations have made it into Kubuntu which is why I stand by my statements. Kubuntu really doesn't offer much apart from a stock KDE implementation or anything unique from Canonical to separate it from the myriad of other better KDE offerings from Sabayon, Linux Mint, or Mepis. Canonical and the Ubuntu devs treat Kubuntu like an afterthought. It's little more than an Ubuntu base install with the (vanilla) KDE packages and a few different default applications. And they call it a distribution. Really?

Edited 2010-10-21 00:13 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by cmost
by lemur2 on Thu 21st Oct 2010 00:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by cmost"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Kubuntu really doesn't offer much apart from a stock KDE implementation or anything unique from Canonical to separate it from the myriad of other better KDE offerings from Sabayon, Linux Mint, or Mepis. Canonical and the Ubuntu devs treat Kubuntu like an afterthought. It's little more than an Ubuntu base install with the (vanilla) KDE packages and a few different default applications. And they call it a distribution. Really?


If Kubuntu has nothing to distinguish it from KDE offerings from Sabayon, Linux Mint, or Mepis (or OpenSuse, PCLinuxOS, Mandriva, Slackware or Knoppix for that matter where KDE is also the default), then how are any of the other offerings "better"?

Kubuntu 10.04 is an LTS distribution. It uses debian .deb packages and hence apt/aptitude package manager backends. It can add any of the Launchpad PPA projects to expand the number of applications that can be installed. It can install any Ubuntu package (most of them don't assume GNOME but only gtk+ support BTW). This gives Kubuntu the largest selection of installable packages (that can be installed from repositories) of any KDE distribution.

This alone IMHO makes it worthwhile.

Frankly I'm struggling to see any Canonical customisations that could be applied to Kubuntu that would be worth it.

PS: I have thought of a few worthwhile Canonical customisations. These are: upstart (quick boot process); jockey (install proprietary graphics card drivers); Ubiquity (distro installer); GRUB 2 and automatic detection and configuration of printer drivers when the printer is first plugged in.

Kubuntu has all of those.

Edited 2010-10-21 00:42 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by cmost
by flynn on Thu 21st Oct 2010 01:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by cmost"
flynn Member since:
2009-03-19

It's little more than an Ubuntu base install with the (vanilla) KDE packages and a few different default applications. And they call it a distribution. Really?

I don't really see anything wrong with that. Then again I'm an Arch user and one of the things I love about it is the fact they keep things as vanilla as possible. I view distro additions as the linux equivalent of all the bloatware that comes on new Windows PCs. A vanilla install is the way to go in my opinion.

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