Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 5th Nov 2010 13:10 UTC
Apple It's the end of the line for Apple's line of servers, the Xserve. The Cupertino giant has just announced that the Xserve line (no more future models, either) will no longer be sold after January 31, 2011, and advises people interested in Mac OS X Server to buy either a Mac Mini or a Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server installed.
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unoengborg
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2005-07-06

My guess is that Larry Ellison likes small pieces of paper with pictures of Benjamin Franklin much more than he likes Steve Jobs. If Apple drops java, there will be no java.

Java is mainly for servers, and with no OS-X servers, there will be no java from Oracle. Not that I think that there would have been one anyway, there are just too few Mac servers out there.

Given how Apple have treated server users over time its no surprise that they didn't sell many of them. First of all they was quite expensive, and secondly there are no such thing as long term planning at Apple. They drop and change models and software often with no apparent upgrade path. Servers lives for years, its not like an iPhone you replace every second year.

If Apple drops Java for the Mac, they will not only annoy server users, they will also annoy a lot of developers. Java is after all one of the most commonly used programming languages in the world, and without developers Apple will have a much harder time to fight things like the growth of Android.

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JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

If Apple drops Java for the Mac, they will not only annoy server users, they will also annoy a lot of developers. Java is after all one of the most commonly used programming languages in the world, and without developers Apple will have a much harder time to fight things like the growth of Android.


A) Apple has already dropped Java for Mac OS X.
B) Not only server users, but Java developers that were lured into the OS X ecosystem by SJ starting from 2001.

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werpu Member since:
2006-01-18

"If Apple drops Java for the Mac, they will not only annoy server users, they will also annoy a lot of developers. Java is after all one of the most commonly used programming languages in the world, and without developers Apple will have a much harder time to fight things like the growth of Android.


A) Apple has already dropped Java for Mac OS X.
B) Not only server users, but Java developers that were lured into the OS X ecosystem by SJ starting from 2001.
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I am one of those, I guess 1-2 Mio developers, who use macs as their main java development platform, the problem as I see it and probably many others is less that Apple is dropping their support, but that their is no clear roadmap of how java will work from now onwards on a Mac, Oracle not has stated anything yet. Lets face it Apple has done a lousy job in the recent past regarding java support, always being one year behind Sun, so it might be a good thing if they give it up, if Oracle takes over. There is one thing, Java probably very likely will survive one form or the other on OSX, since Apples entire web infrastructure runs on Java, and it is unlikely they port it back to ObjectiveC especially now that OpenJDK runs natively but with X (which is not important to apple). What we are going to see probably is the dropping of the Java support in X-Code in the long run, not that even someone outside of the WebObject community ever used it. It simply is subpar in java land to the alternatives.

As for X-Serve, it hurts to those who used it, but frankly spoken, they sold 10.000 units per quarter, I hardly think that even covered the cost of hardware and software development.

I also have to add, if the java situation stays unclear, I and many others simply will switch to Linux and phase out the Macs slowly as their day to day dev machines in favor of cheaper PCs. That is pretty much the general tone among java devs, so there is no general panic. They are not married to their platform, most of them are married to Unix however by their nature and the nature of java (but most of them are forced to use Windows in their day to day jobs and curse it every day, unless they already have shifted their work PCs to macs wherever possible)

Edited 2010-11-10 08:23 UTC

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