Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 9th Nov 2010 22:24 UTC, submitted by koki
GNU, GPL, Open Source Now this is interesting. We see what is at its core a very valid concern, in practice not a problem to anyone, and, thanks to the tone of the press release, close to trolling. The Free Software Foundation Latin America is complaining about something that has been known for a while - there is some non-Free code stuck in the Linux kernel (mostly firmware). A valid issue of concern from an idealogical viewpoint, but sadly, the tone of the press release turns this valid concern into something close to trolling.
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Clueless
by Soulbender on Tue 9th Nov 2010 23:16 UTC
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2005-08-18

It's firmware, it not part of the Linux kernel and it does not run in the OS. Firmware != driver. Heck, even OpenBSD ships with firmware blobs. It would have been nice if the devices in question did not require firmware upload to work but in the end it doesn't really matter and it doesnt make Linux non-free.
To say that this makes Linux not OSS is incredibly clueless.

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RE: Clueless
by phoenix on Tue 9th Nov 2010 23:19 in reply to "Clueless"
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2005-07-11

Exactly. It's a lot of hullabaloo over nothing.

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RE[2]: Clueless
by Lennie on Tue 9th Nov 2010 23:55 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
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2007-09-22

Well, the FSF runs computers with a free BIOS (read firmware) at their offices as well. They want a completely free stack. If their is a bug in the firmware, you want to fix, you need the source. Simple as that. That is how the FSF got started.

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RE[2]: Clueless
by darknexus on Wed 10th Nov 2010 05:21 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
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2008-07-15

Exactly. It's a lot of hullabaloo over nothing.


Not looking to provide flame bate (though this will probably be interpreted as such by some) but doesn't that pretty much describe the FSF these days? There was a time when the FSF, and those involved with it, contributed a lot of valuable things to the F/OSS landscape. Is that time past? All I see from them now is new licenses and complaints when people don't follow what the FSF thinks they should be doing. Quite frankly, I find them annoying. Do they do anything productive these days? That's a genuine question, I'd really like to know since all I see from them lately is bitching and moaning about one thing or another.

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RE: Clueless
by 0brad0 on Wed 10th Nov 2010 01:46 in reply to "Clueless"
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2007-05-05

It's firmware, it not part of the Linux kernel and it does not run in the OS. Firmware != driver. Heck, even OpenBSD ships with firmware blobs. It would have been nice if the devices in question did not require firmware upload to work but in the end it doesn't really matter and it doesnt make Linux non-free.


But the difference is OpenBSD will only distribute firmware if it is under acceptable licensing terms.

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RE[2]: Clueless
by r_a_trip on Wed 10th Nov 2010 08:28 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Define acceptable licensing terms...

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RE[2]: Clueless
by Soulbender on Wed 10th Nov 2010 14:55 in reply to "RE: Clueless"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Perhaps but these folks are against all closed firmware regardless of license.

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