Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 25th Nov 2010 22:57 UTC, submitted by lemur2
KDE "KDE releases 4.6 beta1 of Workspaces, Applications and Development Frameworks, bringing significant improvements to desktop search, a revamped activity system and a significant performance boost to window management and desktop effects. Efforts all across the KDE codebase pay off by making KDE's frameworks more suitable for usage on all devices. The release provides a testing base for a stable release in January 2011."
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Which distro?
by Gone fishing on Fri 26th Nov 2010 19:13 UTC
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Member since:
2006-02-22

It really is time I put some effort into using KDE, Opensuse looks OK, Kubuntu was so awful it almost made me cry.

What distro should I try? or maybe PCBSD?

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RE: Which distro?
by cmost on Fri 26th Nov 2010 19:47 in reply to "Which distro?"
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

It really is time I put some effort into using KDE, Opensuse looks OK, Kubuntu was so awful it almost made me cry.

What distro should I try? or maybe PCBSD?


Personally, I've been using Sabayon KDE for the past 18 months. After using Debian forever!! Give it a try if you want a simple-to-use, elegant, feature-rich, powerful rolling distribution backed by the power of Gentoo.

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RE: Which distro?
by VenomousGecko on Fri 26th Nov 2010 22:15 in reply to "Which distro?"
VenomousGecko Member since:
2005-07-06

Another good rolling release distro that I have liked using for KDE 4.x is Arch. If you are comfortable enough with config files and very little hand holding (i.e. Slackware) then you might like it.

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RE: Which distro?
by joekiser on Fri 26th Nov 2010 22:21 in reply to "Which distro?"
joekiser Member since:
2005-06-30

Fedora 14 KDE spin is rock solid.

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RE[2]: Which distro?
by nickelbackro on Fri 26th Nov 2010 22:43 in reply to "RE: Which distro?"
nickelbackro Member since:
2009-04-12

Fedora 14 KDE spin was working fine for me until they upgraded kpackagekit to .6.2. Now I can't install any programs using it. I rolled back TO Version .6.1 and everything works again but the experience left me a bit disappointed.

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RE: Which distro?
by diegoviola on Sat 27th Nov 2010 22:33 in reply to "Which distro?"
diegoviola Member since:
2006-08-15

Arch Linux

http://www.archlinux.org/

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RE[2]: Which distro?
by lemur2 on Sun 28th Nov 2010 09:41 in reply to "RE: Which distro?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17



This is the distribution I am using with KDE right now.

I went with Kubuntu for a while because of a wider selection of packages available, but Kubuntu 10.10 was caught up in a early release of KDE 3.5 that had real issues with prformance and with the open source graphics drivers. It was not good.

Gieven that it is Ubuntu, if you happen to have a set of packages that don't work well together when it is released, then it will be bad for six months at least.

Arch is a rolling release, and is already at KDE 3.5.3, and has had updates with the opens source graphics drivers. The issue that Kubuntu 10.10 had has gone away in Arch.

The only problem with Arch is a relatively limited range of packages, and it is not newbie-friendly. You need someone with some Linux skills to get it initially installed. After that it is OK, however.

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RE: Which distro?
by Savior on Sun 28th Nov 2010 13:53 in reply to "Which distro?"
Savior Member since:
2006-09-02

Could someone explain me what the differences between the various KDE distros are? I am using Kubuntu, and while it is true that I see some serious issues, most of these stem from the KDE packages themselves. In this case I fail to see how using another distribution would help. (While I can imagine how the user could benefit from rolling releases, Kubuntu usually provides the latest KDE version at least in the backports or in a PPA.)

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RE[2]: Which distro?
by lemur2 on Sun 28th Nov 2010 22:20 in reply to "RE: Which distro?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Could someone explain me what the differences between the various KDE distros are?


They all use the same core KDE codebase, so they differ only in: (1) the version of the KDE codebase, and (2) they underlying OS support for that codebae (kernel, drivers, libraries, etc).

The KDE codebase is updated every six months, whereupon it goes up by one point release. That is to say, the next six-monthly release of KDE, which is due in January 2011, will be version 4.6. The current version is 4.5.4. The transition of a new point release will introduce new features (so version 4.6 in Jan 2011 will have new features that are not in version 4.5.4). The minor sub-point releases happen every month or so, and they are bug fix releases, so that the current version 4.5.4 has no new features over version 4.5, but it does have a significant number of bug fixes since version 4.5.

OK, Kubuntu 10.10 has verion 4.5.0 (I believe), or it might have version 4.5.1. Whichever, that version won't change, Kubuntu 10.10 will always have KDE 4.5.0 or 4.5.1 (whichever it actually has). Kubuntu 11.04 will probably have version 4.6.0.

Anyway, getting "stuck" as it does every six months with a KDE 4.x.0 or 4.x.1 release, Kubuntu's release timing is not optimal with respect to KDE's release timing. Kubuntu would be a lot better off to have a 4.x.4 or 4.x.5 version of KDE, since these versions are bug-fixed yet they have the same functionality.

Arch Linux, OTOH, uses a "rolling release". As soon as a new version of KDE is released, Arch will implement it. This means that right now, Arch has 4.5.4, and so it is more stable than Kubuntu with 4.5.0. In January 2011, Arch will have KDE version 4.6.0, which presumably will have more features but become less stable.

PCLinux OS is also a rolling release, but it is a "less rolling" release than Arch. In other words, PCLinux OS are quite likely to upgrade to 4.5.4 and 4.5.5 in order to get stability improvements and bug-fixes, but they will probably refrain form updating to 4.6.0 in January 2011. They are more likely to wait until 4.6.3 or something before upgrading to the new 4.6.x features.

I am using Kubuntu, and while it is true that I see some serious issues, most of these stem from the KDE packages themselves.


Only some issues stem from KDE itself, and these are due to the low sub-point release (i.e. new feature version, e.g. 4.5.0 or 4.5.1). If Kubuntu used 4.5.4 or 4.5.5 instead, there would be far less issues. A good number of issues are not due to KDE, but rather due to the underlying OS itself ... Kubuntu 10.10 suffers not only from a new-feature release of KDE, but also from issues with the open source graphics stack for example.

I hope this helps to explain the differences between KDE distributions a little bit.

Edited 2010-11-28 22:35 UTC

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RE: Which distro?
by mibh on Sun 28th Nov 2010 17:35 in reply to "Which distro?"
mibh Member since:
2008-01-09

I'm using PCBSD 8.1 on my work desktop and its KDE support and integration is wonderful. KMail especially is much better than on my OpenSuSE 11 desktop and laptop. I have thousands of IMAP folders containing tens of gigabytes of content, and on OpenSuSE from 11.x onward my KMail app runs out of file descriptors trying to synch that account. Apparently it's using one thread per folder. A bad idea in general, but specifically for me it means thousands of popups to be dismissed before I can kill the app. I don't know what the OpenSuSE integrators were thinking, there.

That said, OpenSuSE 11 has been my primary KDE platform ever since it came out, and OpenSuSE 10 before that. I'm switching to PCBSD because I'm more familiar with FreeBSD sysadmin and now that there's a KDE-integrated version of FreeBSD I don't need Linux any more. But OpenSuSE has been extremely useful and its support of KDE, other than the KMail issue noted above, has been first class.

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RE[2]: Which distro?
by chimby on Tue 30th Nov 2010 18:22 in reply to "RE: Which distro?"
chimby Member since:
2006-10-02

I'm using PCBSD 8.1 on my work desktop and its KDE support and integration is wonderful. KMail especially is much better than on my OpenSuSE 11 desktop and laptop. I have thousands of IMAP folders containing tens of gigabytes of content, and on OpenSuSE from 11.x onward my KMail app runs out of file descriptors trying to synch that account. Apparently it's using one thread per folder. A bad idea in general, but specifically for me it means thousands of popups to be dismissed before I can kill the app. I don't know what the OpenSuSE integrators were thinking, there.

Wow this is the first time I have ever seen anyone mention this if it is the problem I have been experiencing. Whenever I try to use Kmail it somehow marks all my mail as "new" again and I get notifications on my phone for every single email I have...SUPER annoying. I wish this could be fixed.

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