Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 1st Dec 2010 22:45 UTC
In the News And so the Wikileaks saga continues - with politics once again crossing with the technology side of things. After several DDoS attacks on Wikileaks' website, the organisation decided to move their website over to Amazon's cloud service yesterday. Today, Amazon kicked Wikileaks out of its cloud after being pressured by US Congress. Update: [Kroc] In a Q&A on the Guardian website, Julian Assange drops the bomb--Amazon failed the test: "Since 2007 we have been deliberately placing some of our servers in jurisdictions that we suspected suffered a free speech deficit inorder to separate rhetoric from reality. Amazon was one of these cases.". Stunning.
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The WikiLeaks Opportunity
by JacobMunoz on Thu 2nd Dec 2010 19:07 UTC
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The fact that our government is so furious over these documents shows exactly how important it is that they be released.. let's look at the facts:

None of the foreign governments involved have expressed surprise or concern over these documents - these facts were already known to them, although they may not have had the exact wording before the leaks.. big f-ing whoop, they're not stupid enough to think diplomacy isn't dirty and unpleasant.

Nearly all of this information WILL eventually be released in some form, it's just a matter of timing. I agree that if people's lives are in more danger if the documents are released it shouldn't be done, but if the information will lead to uncovering and dismantling long-term corruption, you just can't deny that it should be done. Corruption kills, uncovering corruption kills as well - but that doesn't mean they're morally the same, one is fundamentally superior. And this is where the US gov't is going wrong...

WikiLeaks provides a unique and possibly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for nations to air some of their dirty laundry and make amends with the public, all while maintaining political neutrality regarding the specific leaks. The CIA and FBI rarely make public apologies (worth believing), and over time We Americans have grown to fear and distrust our own "democratic" government. We absolutely know that our government does despicable things, and waits far too long to apologise for actions which are SUBHUMAN. Experiments that were performed on students, foreigners, prisoners, _soldiers_... it makes me ashamed of my country sometimes... most of the time.

I often wonder if we won World War II... I know we defeated the Nazi German and Imperial Japanese regimes, but I think we became infected with their demonic mentality that states have the right to do anything in the name of "The State"..

..I feel like we all lost. Our founding fathers would be ashamed of what we've done with our freedom.

RIP: United States Liberty
A promise cut short.

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RE: The WikiLeaks Opportunity
by mrstep on Sat 4th Dec 2010 15:38 in reply to "The WikiLeaks Opportunity"
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By "Liberty", why did it die in 2001? How about when the various Indian tribes were being slaughtered/driven out of their lands? When states rights were trampled in the Civil War (because based on Lincoln quotes in the museum under the memorial, it wasn't to free slaves...)? Maybe the Spanish-American war? Or was it when we went into Vietnam after they managed to kick out their previous colonial masters - or when the student war protesters were being shot? How about radiation tests on the testes of black and hispanic prisoners in the 60's and 70's? Or...

I sometimes get confused because I know our government has forever been a shining beacon of purity that was just recently tarnished, but it seems to have had been busy with plenty of violations of rights and freedoms both here and abroad for a long time. Which actually probably would have upset the founding fathers since creating another global empire didn't seem their agenda.

On the other hand, we allow do our women to go to school & vote, don't whip them for showing their hair, stopped institutionalized segregation, etc., so there are some improvements as well, it's just that a government doing dubious things isn't new here (or abroad), and the violation of freedoms really isn't either.

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