Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Dec 2010 12:16 UTC
Internet & Networking It looks like several companies are learning what happens when you mess with the internet - and they're learning it the hard way. Several major companies have been hit by the collective powers of Anonymous after 4chan launched several distributed denial-of-service attacks. What many have been predicting for a long time now has finally happened: an actual war between the powers that be on one side, and the internet on the other. Update: PayPal has admitted their WikiLeaks snub came after pressure from the US government, and Datacell, which takes care of payments to Wikileaks, is threatening to sue MasterCard over Wikileaks' account suspension. Update II: Visa.com is down due to the attack. Update III: PayPal has caved under the pressure, and will release the funds in the WikiLeaks account.
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RE[5]: Hmmm
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 8th Dec 2010 13:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Hmmm"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

You missed the point of what I said. I was purely discussing the fact that information can only be "free'd" by the originating source. You can apply the same thing I said to doctor-patient or attourney-client privileges.


If either the doctor or the patient committed a crime, and the information would be relevant to the case, then yes, that information would become available.

You can't apply the rules of the individual to a government. We are supposed to check our government - and we can't do that if they just label everything "secret" while waving flags around talking about terrorism a lot.

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RE[6]: Hmmm
by Karitku on Wed 8th Dec 2010 16:11 in reply to "RE[5]: Hmmm"
Karitku Member since:
2006-01-12


If either the doctor or the patient committed a crime, and the information would be relevant to the case, then yes, that information would become available.

You can't apply the rules of the individual to a government. We are supposed to check our government - and we can't do that if they just label everything "secret" while waving flags around talking about terrorism a lot.

Ever heard Freedom of Information act? You do know that majority of wikileaks info will be totally open or is already. The Iraq War leak was full of documents that you could have just by asking them. Cablegate is pretty much same, except you won't get the ugly gossip version but more political view of world. Again, please someone show me something new that Wikileaks have shown us?

And OSNews has gone to toilet nowdays. It used to be great place to find info on minor OSes and stuff. Now it's filled with Thoms personal opinnions which, by reading what he writes, he managed to learn from local leftwing newspaper. Thom, you might be good at finding nip info on technical stuff, but you suck as reporter.

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RE[7]: Hmmm
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 8th Dec 2010 16:16 in reply to "RE[6]: Hmmm"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Now it's filled with Thoms personal opinnions which, by reading what he writes, he managed to learn from local leftwing newspaper. Thom, you might be good at finding nip info on technical stuff, but you suck as reporter.


So, OSNews has gone down the toilet because the opinions presented in the article do not match your own? I love cognitive dissonance theory. You do realise you're free to write your own article which we WILL publish, right? We've done so numerous times before.

Funny how people like you never take me up on that offer.

Also, I'm actually not left at all.

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RE[7]: Hmmm
by JAlexoid on Thu 9th Dec 2010 05:52 in reply to "RE[6]: Hmmm"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Again, please someone show me something new that Wikileaks have shown us?


How about massive spying campaign on the world leaders - like their DNA! If they were spying on how some negotiations went, what confidential views someone had, that would be expected and nothing to be shamed about, but this is ridiculous!

Oh, and BTW, if WikiLeaks have not shown anything "new", then why the smear campaign on behalf of US government? Think about it, they are panicking over something, it's not just hot air.

Edited 2010-12-09 05:52 UTC

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Freedom of Information Act
by MollyC on Thu 9th Dec 2010 06:05 in reply to "RE[6]: Hmmm"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

is NOT what Assange is taking advantage of.
FoIA has specific procedures to follow. A formal request must be made for specific information. The government can honor that request, first redacting information sensitive to national security, or the govt can refuse, in which case a Court comes into the picture and decides the final outcome (what can be released, what can be kept "secret") and issues a court order to that effect.

Assange hasn't gone through those legal procedures. You know that. He's made no formal request at all, let alone a formal request for specific information.

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RE[6]: Hmmm
by bisserke on Wed 8th Dec 2010 16:27 in reply to "RE[5]: Hmmm"
bisserke Member since:
2007-03-22

Hmmm... Thom. I think u hit the nail on its head.

You can't apply the rules of the individual to a government. We are supposed to check our government - and we can't do that if they just label everything "secret" while waving flags around talking about terrorism a lot.

Organisations should not be allowed to have the same rights as an individual. And especially governments should be ideally completely transparant. (Freedom of information act... sic)
And all this nonsense make this announcement truly ironic.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iTYmAtawT4E6ftkR...

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RE[6]: Hmmm
by Bounty on Wed 8th Dec 2010 18:58 in reply to "RE[5]: Hmmm"
Bounty Member since:
2006-09-18

"You missed the point of what I said. I was purely discussing the fact that information can only be "free'd" by the originating source. You can apply the same thing I said to doctor-patient or attourney-client privileges.


If either the doctor or the patient committed a crime, and the information would be relevant to the case, then yes, that information would become available.

You can't apply the rules of the individual to a government. We are supposed to check our government - and we can't do that if they just label everything "secret" while waving flags around talking about terrorism a lot.
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Not necessarily to the public. It depends on the details of the case. However IANAL.

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