Linked by Michael Pfeiffer on Thu 23rd Dec 2010 00:05 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Gutenprint is a suite of printer drivers that can be used with UNIX and Linux print spooling systems, such as CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System), lpr, LPRng, and others. Gutenprint currently supports over 700 printer models. Gutenprint was recently ported to Haiku, both increasing its printing capabilities, as well as extending its supported printer models. This article describes Gutenprint and the effort to port it to Haiku.
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RE[2]: Overblown
by AndrewZ on Fri 24th Dec 2010 21:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Overblown"
AndrewZ
Member since:
2005-11-15

I am aware of that, I read it in the old posts. And it is unfortunate. To me that is more a result of differences of opinion and naivety, rather than willful malevolence. Ultimately Karl proved his point and we are all the better for his taking action, right? Sometimes when you go against popular opinion to prove your point, people call you names in public, right? This is not junior high school anymore, so it's important to grow a thicker skin and carry on regardless, don't you think?

It has been my experience when dealing with the core developers that they respond to direct questions about Haiku os development, and would rather not be involved in much else. And if you think what would be the consequence of them not doing that, we would have a lot less Haiku to play with.

I do wish there was a formal 'bridge' in place between the core team and the apps team. Like the hotline between US and Russia :-)

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RE[3]: Overblown
by koki on Fri 24th Dec 2010 22:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Overblown"
koki Member since:
2005-10-17

If you actually read what Phipps said about Karl's effort here (see section towards the bottom of the message that starts with "wow")...

http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Openness,13

...you will see that there is a total unwillingness to recognize that they dropped the ball and that they would not be willing to do anything else but come up with nonsensical excuses that put the accomplished contributor in a bad light.

You may want to put a positive spin to the situation, but, really, using such lame excuses to justify not supporting and eager and knowingly capable individual (Karl had already raised and donated $2K to Haiku by then) and then not showing recognition for his effort and instead chastising him does border ill will.

Sure, Karl pushed through and made the bounties program a success, and he deserves all the credit, credit that was only given reluctantly back and that still now needs to be asked for. So, history repeats itself, and another known contributor to the Haiku ecosystem feels unrecognized. The project never learns in this respect.

As I have always said, development is in very good hands for the most part at Haiku; that the core devs are mostly concerned with development and nothing else. is a good thing. But several other areas of the project (mostly those concerning the wider Haiku community beyond the core devs) suck, as they go unattended as a result or fall in the hands of people who lack the necessary time, motivation and/or skills to perform them.

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RE[4]: Overblown
by mphipps on Mon 27th Dec 2010 00:09 in reply to "RE[3]: Overblown"
mphipps Member since:
2006-08-21

Koki...

My friend... Why do we have to do this over and over? Why do you bring up my decisions from almost 4 years ago and bash the project?

I did not agree with Karl about bounties. I still don't. I still think that donating to Haiku itself and letting them contract for completed work is a better idea than bounties.

There is nothing in that to denigrate Karl or his hard work. I respect him and his work. I don't agree with him. I didn't when I was in charge and I still don't.

Now, as far as the legality and the "babble", I find that to be pretty insulting, honestly. A bounty was created to port Java. AT THAT TIME, java was not open source, it was a copyrighted piece of software that some people had access to but NOT THE LICENSE TO PUBLISH. Therefore, a bounty for it could NOT BE LEGALLY COMPLETED. In the same way that you could sit down and translate a book into Spanish or Japanese, but you couldn't legally publish it. That's why I said what I did. I stand by it, too. The bounty could be argued as an inducement to commit copyright violation. At the very least, it couldn't be legally completed. That was my point, back then. In the context of the times, it was true and made sense. It wasn't and isn't babble.

Look, to put this very kindly... I like you personally very much. But for whatever reason, your personality and the way that the Haiku folks do things don't work well together. Let it go, please. You are doing more harm than good. You voluntarily left the project at least 3 times. People didn't agree with the things you wanted to do. That's their prerogative. You can't force them to do what you want. When a group disagrees with one person, that person generally loses. I know that I disagreed with the admin group many times. I didn't always "get my way". But you learn to accept it and work toward the common goal, or you don't. You seem to have chosen not to accept it. That's fine, but you really can't blame the rest of the group. Accept that there are just some people that you, personally, can't work with. Please, let it go and move on. Let the bitterness fade. Move on. Let Haiku do its thing. If it is as bad as you say, it will fail. It doesn't seem to be failing so far, so maybe you are wrong. I don't know. But bashing the project only hurts everyone. Please, let it die.

Believe it or not, you friend...

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