Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Jan 2011 21:22 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Just - just hold on a second. This is big: NVIDIA, maker of graphics accelerator chips, has just announced, during its keynote at CES, that it is developing a high-performance ARM-based processor together with ARM, targeted squarely at the desktop, server, and even high-performance computing markets. That Windows on ARM thing? NVIDIA referenced it multiple times! Update: Boom, and we have a press release. "NVIDIA announced today that it plans to build high-performance ARM based CPU cores, designed to support future products ranging from personal computers and servers to workstations and supercomputers. Known under the internal codename 'Project Denver', this initiative features an NVIDIA CPU running the ARM instruction set, which will be fully integrated on the same chip as the NVIDIA GPU."
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RE[5]: Two points:
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 6th Jan 2011 04:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Two points:"
UltraZelda64
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2006-12-05

If you want to buy a PC without an operating system there are plenty of places you can do so.

Honest question: Are there really any good such OEMs? Usually the ones with the "Linux" or "FreeDOS" option tend to be hard to find at Dell's site for example, and have inferior hardware, or not the brand I'm looking for (ie. AMD instead of Intel CPUs, ATI or Intel instead of nVidia GPUs). They also tend to lack the component customization that the Windows systems have. Only by getting Windows are the higher-performance machines and extra hardware customization opened up. And I actually don't know about any companies that sell good machines with no OS; every OEM puts Windows above all, and makes other options hard to find (even to the point of recommending *against* them when you finally do find it, just goes to show how much these companies REALLY want you to buy Windows...).

It is a nightmare trying to find a decent PC not running Windows by default with the components I want. Yet you claim they are not hard to find. Do you know something I don't?

Hell, just look how resistant Dell was to putting Ubuntu on their machines in the first place. I'm shocked they provided it as an option on even one model, and the other companies seem just as cautious.

Edited 2011-01-06 05:03 UTC

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RE[6]: Two points:
by BeamishBoy on Thu 6th Jan 2011 05:01 in reply to "RE[5]: Two points:"
BeamishBoy Member since:
2010-10-27

I haven't bought a machine from one of the major manufacturers in quite a while so I can't comment too much on how they do things. That said, if you want to purchase, say, a Dell without Windows in the UK you can do so by getting a quote from a Dell representative on their LiveChat system. In addition, when we buy new machines at work we always have the option of purchasing without an OS pre-installed.

Personally, I tend to go to places such as overclockers.co.uk whenever I want a new system and they give customers the option of buying without any OS; there are many, many other places like this, including loads in the US.

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RE[7]: Two points:
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 6th Jan 2011 05:23 in reply to "RE[6]: Two points:"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

When my mom was buying this machine from Dell years ago over the phone (which she later gave to me), I told her to ask about Ubuntu--which was somewhat "new" for Dell at the time. Ironically and not really surprisingly, they talked like they didn't know what the hell she was talking about. The only alternative they gave aside from the crap known as Vista was a whopping 200-300 bucks to get XP instead (insanity!).

Unfortunately--the cheapest route, Vista, was chosen. And this was around 2007, 2008. I honestly have a feeling they knew, but did not want to help as it is their job to please Microsoft and sell Windows on as many systems as possible. I'm pretty sure we even asked if we could get a system with *no* OS, and they said no. We didn't have much luck back then, and the machine has not been running Vista since it was given to me (Debian Testing right now).

I haven't dealt with Gateway since 2001, but it seems even harder to find non-Windows machines (or even information) than Dell on their site. That is quite an accomplishment, given how much of a PITA Dell makes it. And I haven't dealt with any other OEMs, personally.

Edited 2011-01-06 05:30 UTC

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RE[6]: Two points:
by apoclypse on Thu 6th Jan 2011 06:00 in reply to "RE[5]: Two points:"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

There are some OEMs that cater specifically to the OSS/Linux crowd. system76 comes to mind. There systems only come with Ubuntu installed. They are what your are looking for. I have no idea as to the quality of their machines or their support but it proves that there are OEMs that cater to Linux out there.

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RE[7]: Two points:
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 6th Jan 2011 07:55 in reply to "RE[6]: Two points:"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

There are some OEMs that cater specifically to the OSS/Linux crowd. system76 comes to mind. There systems only come with Ubuntu installed. They are what your are looking for. I have no idea as to the quality of their machines or their support but it proves that there are OEMs that cater to Linux out there.

I heard about that company.

I'll admit... by asking (though I didn't specifically say it, trying to prevent blind "yeah I heard of them, they're great just 'cause they support Linux!!! responses), I was actually hoping to get opinions on whether this company's customer service and hardware components are good, or not. I recall their systems being at least slightly higher priced than the typical competitors' Windows offerings (likely because of the lack of crapware and demos including anti-virus to offset the hardware cost), but that can be forgivable if their hardware and service is good.

One definite plus is that by buying from them, Microsoft doesn't get another penny. That is great, but the company itself (support) and its hardware components need to at least be decent.

Edited 2011-01-06 07:59 UTC

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