Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 18th Jan 2011 22:18 UTC, submitted by alinandrei
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu De kogel is door de kerk. After years of focussing entirely on Gtk+ and GNOME, Ubuntu will finally start evaluating Qt applications for inclusion in the defaukt Ubuntu installation. Mark Shuttleworth announced the policy change on his blog today.
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RE: Talk about arrogance
by Aragorn992 on Wed 19th Jan 2011 07:55 UTC in reply to "Talk about arrogance"
Aragorn992
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2007-05-27

Because design-by-committee has been time again shown to be slow and often substandard. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. It's true that this method rarely fails but it also rarely produces something innovative.

That's not even taking into account the typical knee-jerk reactions I would expect from the non-Ubuntu people in the open source world (which Ubuntu has plenty of experience with, by the way).

Arrogrant, bloody-minded, dictatorship (I'm purposely exaggerating) can be a good thing.

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RE[2]: Talk about arrogance
by mart on Wed 19th Jan 2011 10:37 in reply to "RE: Talk about arrogance"
mart Member since:
2005-11-17

Because design-by-committee has been time again shown to be slow and often substandard. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. It's true that this method rarely fails but it also rarely produces something innovative.


and never the less, without efforts like freedesktop (that admittely have its share of problems) we wouldn't even have the same storage for the start menu, the same hints for windows (a panel is a panel in all window managers that wasn't really true some years ago) we couldn't see notifications of applications written in the other toolkit...

(to not mention waay wider efforts like uhm, HTML anyone?)

Now, we have gained a significant amount of interoperability over those years, it would be a shame backpedal it.

Things like Ubuntu just proposed, are in the right direction, with the best intentions of the world.
What I say is, be careful of how something is pushed forward, a little "implementation detail", like it can be the choice of writing backends versus a new api, can have the consequence of having very good or very bad consequences.

And you know how all of this can be avoided? it's called "working together", and is what it's slowly starting to happen. We are talking with them and for this very reason I'm delaying any judging until this thing rolls down.
As collaboration with Ubuntu goes, in the history we have very sore points but very successful episodes as well (for instance the integration of our StatusNotifier protocol with their DBusMenu protocol was a quite good example of working together) so, we'll see.

What I can say, that from KDE we are always open for collaboration.

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