Linked by fran on Tue 8th Feb 2011 18:08 UTC
Apple "A new report suggests that Apple may be planning to eliminate retail boxed software from its Apple Stores, instead focusing on promoting the Mac App Store for software sales. This is indeed a trend that Apple has been pushing for a while, but not all the software that Apple sells would necessarily be a great fit for pure digital distribution."
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RE[4]: Expected move
by nt_jerkface on Tue 8th Feb 2011 21:51 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Expected move"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

Software on all operating systems is increasingly only going to be available through "Application Stores" specific for that operating system, specifically because it's more convenient for the customers.


LOL, other operating systems...as if consumers are choosing between 10 of them.

Apple keeps setting bad precedents and is providing rationalizations for MS to follow in their path.

Apple is a control-freak company and it goes well beyond convenience. They could make software purchases easier and safer without taking a cut and filtering the submissions.

If Apple controlled every computer you wouldn't be able to download hustler since Jobs has some weird hatred of adult magazines. God knows what else he would ban if he could. He probably would anoint himself culture czar and filter whatever comes through the internet. He also hates video games even though they make up the bulk of app store purchases.

Apple's control shenanigans were just kind of silly when they had a tiny market share but now they are leading the charge towards a total control model where all software only exists by the permission of the OS company and the user merely pays for temporary access.

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RE[5]: Expected move
by rhavyn on Tue 8th Feb 2011 23:01 in reply to "RE[4]: Expected move"
rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

"Software on all operating systems is increasingly only going to be available through "Application Stores" specific for that operating system, specifically because it's more convenient for the customers.


LOL, other operating systems...as if consumers are choosing between 10 of them.
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Off the top of my head ...

1. Windows Phone
2. Android
3. Symbian
4. Blackberry
5. Ubuntu, IIRC, is working on something and every other Linux distro has their default package list
6. iOS
7. OS X
8. Windows 8 (likely)

Not 10, but close.

Apple keeps setting bad precedents and is providing rationalizations for MS to follow in their path.


How is an application store a bad precedent?

Apple is a control-freak company and it goes well beyond convenience. They could make software purchases easier and safer without taking a cut and filtering the submissions.


Would you care to point out any store (not just app store, literally any store online or one that you can walk into in person) that doesn't filter it's product selection and take a cut of the sale.

If Apple controlled every computer you wouldn't be able to download hustler since Jobs has some weird hatred of adult magazines. God knows what else he would ban if he could. He probably would anoint himself culture czar and filter whatever comes through the internet. He also hates video games even though they make up the bulk of app store purchases.


So you think Apple is about to have 100% marketshare of all computers, smartphones, tablets, etc.?

Apple's control shenanigans were just kind of silly when they had a tiny market share but now they are leading the charge towards a total control model where all software only exists by the permission of the OS company and the user merely pays for temporary access.


Users have been paying for temporary access to their software for decades. And, last I checked, there are even (unsupported and for jail broken phones only) alternative app stores for iOS devices. What evidence exists anywhere that the current situation would change?

Additionally, I don't understand the focus on Apple. Literally every operating system is going to have an application store by default. Most of them already do (in my list only Windows doesn't today). Do you think Apple or Steve Jobs is going to dictate what's available on the Windows Phone app store? How about the new Amazon Android app store?

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RE[6]: Expected move
by computrius on Tue 8th Feb 2011 23:13 in reply to "RE[5]: Expected move"
computrius Member since:
2006-03-26

Its not that everything coming through an app store is bad. Though more choice is better, so why limit it to just that if there are no other motives? The problem arises when apple limits things to just an app store and starts filtering what is coming in, just like they do the ipad/iphone (ie. ipadification).

Apple isnt thinking of the consumer and what is convienient for them. Apple is thinking about the most direct route that they can take to remove all control from the consumer without the consumer noticing. So far their plans are moving along quite nicely, because most apple fans just keep bending over and saying "can I have some more?"

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RE[6]: Expected move
by nt_jerkface on Wed 9th Feb 2011 02:24 in reply to "RE[5]: Expected move"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


Not 10, but close.

When it comes desktop systems consumers basically choose between two and some of the mobile platforms you listed allow external software.

How is an application store a bad precedent?

It sets a bad precedent if the goal is to keep a balance between the OS company, developers and users.

Would you care to point out any store (not just app store, literally any store online or one that you can walk into in person) that doesn't filter it's product selection and take a cut of the sale.

You're missing the point which is that locking you into an app store prevents you from buying software direct from developers where there is no filer or cut for the OS company.

So you think Apple is about to have 100% marketshare of all computers, smartphones, tablets, etc.?

No but as I said they provide a rationalization for MS and between the two they have over 96% of the market.

Users have been paying for temporary access to their software for decades.

Which users? I have Office 2010 5 ft away from me. Are you saying I only have temporary access to it? I found a copy of Office 97 last year that will install just fine. Apple wants to eliminate the whole idea of a licensed copy and only provide temporary access.

And, last I checked, there are even (unsupported and for jail broken phones only) alternative app stores for iOS devices.

That doesn't foster a healthy external market, it only encourages piracy.

Additionally, I don't understand the focus on Apple. Literally every operating system is going to have an application store by default.

Because they forge the path. MS at least has to be careful over anti-trust issues but Apple is lining up the perfect rationalization for them.

How about the new Amazon Android app store?

What about it? Is Amazon selling phones that locks you into it?

But way to cheer on Apple as they cut into small ISVs profit and add to their already existing giant pile of cash. Hooray!

If Jobs was in charge of computing there would be no Hustler.com, no video games and all mice would have one button. You would probably have to pay by the hour to access applications and yet people like you would defend it all in the name of convenience. People like you would still wear Apple logo t-shirts and have Apple logo stickers which all say the same thing: I'm a corporate tool.

Edited 2011-02-09 02:26 UTC

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RE[5]: Expected move
by bert64 on Fri 11th Feb 2011 11:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Expected move"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

You can't make software purchases easier and safer without at the very least filtering submissions (otherwise people can simply submit malware), and no for-profit company would do that without taking a cut either.

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