Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th Feb 2011 23:29 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems And, of course, just as I decide to leave the live blogging to play a game of Left 4 Dead 2, HP drops the big bombshell right at the end of their press event: webOS is coming to PCs!
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RE[2]: Comment by Laurence
by kaelodest on Thu 10th Feb 2011 02:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Laurence"
kaelodest
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2006-02-12

Well Unless there is some sort of *fast* equivalent to Core Data and it's Managed Object Context in JS or at least Cocoa style bindings (where delegates are built in/expected/implicit) then it will have to be slower.
It is not that it *cant * be done it is just that who is really willing to throw all of that development resources to an environment that will be second or worse to market.
See there is really only a certain of window between a developer getting 'IT' and the next 2 great technologies thar (s)he will see and then they are 31-35 and have better things than to do other than being on the bleeding edge. (Who wants to know about Carbon or CFM Mac Apps?) That just like Java used to be the future. And it was more recent but didn't catch mindshare but cocoa and cappuccino well these are matured versions of smalltalk and really. It is not that hard to wrap my head around. If HP ships a NeXTStep clone that enables cappuccino apps to launch 20% quicker (six not eight seconds to useful user input) then unlike Gruber's "Shit Sandwich" (sic) you have an environment that is standard and open (unlike dot-net) well HP is gonna eat the lunch of whoever doesn't "dig this new scene"

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Hold on, you were talking about Objective C a programing language's speed versus Javascript another programing language speed.

Now you are talking about a library and comparing it to a language. Oranges meet apples.

But you got to what you meant at the end. You don't think this platform will be developed to the point where it will be as fast as competing platforms. Ok, that is not crazy, but your original statement was.

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My Bad
by kaelodest on Thu 10th Feb 2011 05:48 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Laurence"
kaelodest Member since:
2006-02-12

But in the land of sh*t sandwiches the man with his own lunchbox is king. All I am saying is what a sensible person or a engineer wnats and understands to be _true and correct_ is often beyond the concern horizon of the other 95% of the computing consumer's concern.
I hope that they can do most of it in JS. But as far as really solid and quick development I will prefer doing it in Cocoa. And If I would write a 'web app' in 2011 i would go with Cappuccino.
But if an app takes 8 or 6 seconds to load will most users care? Well will they care a lot? That sucks. I for real suppose that 10 seconds on the outside is terrible. So give me a casual game or augmented reality app that is worth waiting 10, or 8 or even 6 seconds to load AND is java then maybe I will give that a second look, until then I really like the low activation energy in MacOS X
BTW just taught eight 11 year old kids how to link up bindings in core data. Took all of 3 90 minute sessions. From nothing to Persistant State - goodness -(•_~) my bad Guiness and Coffee.

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RE[4]: Comment by Laurence
by JAlexoid on Thu 10th Feb 2011 09:02 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Laurence"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

cocoa and cappuccino well these are matured versions of smalltalk

Yeah... That is where I couldn't read any more...

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