Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 11th Feb 2011 09:05 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless It's official. Dismissed as a silly rumour by many, Nokia and Micorsoft have just announced a very comprehensive partnership in which Windows Phone 7 will become Nokia's prime smartphone platform. It goes a lot deeper than that, though. Update: Qt will not be available for Windows Phone 7. Qt will remain the development platform for MeeGo and Symbian. Update II: During its Capital Market Day event, Elop confirmed Nokia will not make a comprehensive MeeGo product line. It will be a platform to learn from, but it won't become a competitive platform. Update III: Android was not an option because it would be difficult to differentiate there. Update IV: There will be 'substantial reductions in employment' in Finland and around the world. Also, before I forget, thanks Engadget for the live-blogging where I get this stuff from!
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RE: Oh well
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 11th Feb 2011 09:29 UTC in reply to "Oh well"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Nokia announced its own demise. Nice...


Yes, because hanging on to an outdated platform and a platform that has been delayed like crazy and MIGHT be ready this year is totally not going to mean their demise.

Get real.

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RE[2]: Oh well
by strim on Fri 11th Feb 2011 09:41 in reply to "RE: Oh well"
strim Member since:
2008-07-01

Get real.


I am. I've seen so many companies announcing "partnerships" with M$. Then they've got "financial problems", then they "closed down".

And I am not impressed with WP7, at all.

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v RE[3]: Oh well
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 11th Feb 2011 09:47 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh well"
RE[2]: Oh well
by Stratoukos on Fri 11th Feb 2011 09:43 in reply to "RE: Oh well"
Stratoukos Member since:
2009-02-11

The fact that it was (probably) the right move doesn't make it any less true, or sad.

The fact is that, given the insane delays of MeeGo and that Symbian was not aimed at the high end, Nokia's move was probably right. But this doesn't leave Nokia on a very good place.

Stephen Elop's memo talked about how Nokia needed to move away from the 'hardware-only' mentality and focus on the whole ecosystem around the device. Today's news though seem contradictory. Nokia will essentially become another WP7 hardware manufacturer, with the only differentiating factors being hardware, Ovi and NAVTEQ. Mobile hardware has become so standardized these days (CPU, RAM, Flash, Sensors etc.) that the only thing Nokia can do is slap a higher MP count camera. Ovi will be yet another WP7 app store. I don't know if NAVTEQ is so good that people are going to buy Nokia it, but I doubt it.

So the way I see it is that right now Nokia has nothing going their way. They are simply a WP7 hardware manufacturer, like many others.

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RE[3]: Oh well
by dsmogor on Fri 11th Feb 2011 11:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh well"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Exactly, they are totally abandoning their software ambitions, a desperate move to let them keep their hardware-only mentality. The software part of it have been just outsourced to the makers of Windows.

Edited 2011-02-11 11:10 UTC

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RE[2]: Oh well
by bert64 on Fri 11th Feb 2011 10:38 in reply to "RE: Oh well"
bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

Much of the delay with MeeGo was just that, the transition from Maemo which was a relatively stable and complete platform, to MeeGo that is a significant departure and in need of significant changes.

Without their own OS, nokia will be reduced to just producing hardware and having to compete with the asians who can produce the same hardware more cheaply... Also to choose windows phone 7 over android is another black mark, windows mobile left a bad taste in many peoples mouths and while windows may be a well known brand, it also has negative connotations and is not generally associated with phones.

I liked the idea of meego/maemo, an open linux based platform for your phone.. Android requires significant effort to turn it into a regular linux system, and while the iphone can have a bsd userland installed you need to jailbreak it in order to do that.

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RE[3]: Oh well
by henderson101 on Fri 11th Feb 2011 11:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh well"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Much of the delay with MeeGo was just that, the transition from Maemo which was a relatively stable and complete platform,.....


Really? Are you sure Maemo was "relatively stable and complete"??? It broke binary ABI with every major release. So, on the N800 alone, we had NITOS2007 and NITOS2008 then there were the 2 or 3 revisions of NITOS2008... so, basically 2006 -> 2007 broke ABI. 2007 -> 2008 broke ABI. 2008 broke ABI on itself. This is well documented and people were talking about it back *in* 2007!!!

http://eugenia.queru.com/2007/07/06/compatibility-compatibility-com...

Every ABI break lost apps. Sad. The pool of apps reduced over time, not increased. It would have been okay if there had actually been more than 2 or 3 that were worth having. *sigh*

EDIT: and the fact that the only option for development was Linux (which I was okay with) but installing the SDK was completely and totally un intuitive and cumbersome, AND was RPM based, so made installing on Ubuntu (which I much preferred over RPM style distros) extremely tricky... I dunno... I'm a Windows and Mac guy. I like installers that don't make me learn how to manually install software. ANd then, once installed - it was never straight forward to get it working and the emulation was flakey. A far cry from WinMobile, Android and iOS (all of which have their flaws, but at least they install without too many headaches and then just "work")

Edited 2011-02-11 12:06 UTC

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RE[2]: Oh well
by masennus on Fri 11th Feb 2011 10:52 in reply to "RE: Oh well"
masennus Member since:
2011-02-11

Yes you are right. This confirms that meego couldn't save them. Not because it was a bad plan, but because they were unable to act on a good plan. Which, regardless if how good or bad the most recent embedded os from microsoft is, WILL cause nokia to eventually die.

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RE[2]: Oh well
by WereCatf on Fri 11th Feb 2011 11:04 in reply to "RE: Oh well"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Yes, because hanging on to an outdated platform and a platform that has been delayed like crazy and MIGHT be ready this year is totally not going to mean their demise.

All this time Nokia has been pushing for devs to use Qt, they've actually invested a helluva lot of money to it and the whole point with pushing people for Qt has been that they'd be developing for MeeGo in the future. But since WP7 doesn't support Qt they not only seriously shot themselves in the foot with this, they also instantly alienated all those Qt-devs they've attracted so far!

This has been a downright terrible move on their part.

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RE[3]: Oh well
by dsmogor on Fri 11th Feb 2011 11:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh well"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Not making MS enable QT on Nokia WinMo variant (the only real ecosystem differentiator Nokia could save for themselves) shows what their negotiation positions were.

Were they as desperate? Seriously, what does this deal buys Nokia, after it's has bet so much on yet unproven platform?

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RE[3]: Oh well
by cmon on Fri 11th Feb 2011 12:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh well"
cmon Member since:
2011-02-11


All this time Nokia has been pushing for devs to use Qt, they've actually invested a helluva lot of money to it and the whole point with pushing people for Qt has been that they'd be developing for MeeGo in the future.


This is an emotional assertion, from an economic point of view your statement does not make sense at all. It does not matter what they have been investing in. At this point investing in WP7 is will be better than investing in Qt, so how could it matter how much money they already wasted on Qt?

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RE[3]: Oh well
by quique on Fri 11th Feb 2011 13:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh well"
quique Member since:
2005-07-07

Exactly. I was looking forward to buying a Meego-based smartphone.

After reading this

Nokia will not make a comprehensive MeeGo product line. It will be a platform to learn from, but it won't become a competitive platform.

I don't have to wait anymore: I'll go HTC/Samsung. Hello, Android!

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RE[2]: Oh well
by drahca on Fri 11th Feb 2011 14:32 in reply to "RE: Oh well"
drahca Member since:
2006-02-23

Thom, are you an OS enthusiast or a business strategist? You do realize they have just announced the death of Qt and the death of the only true open platform for mobile phones? Are you really so clueless that you think this is a good thing because YOU are a WP7 user? How shortsighted can you possibly be?

This reminds me of when Palm bought Be. There were people which reacted enthusiastically, thinking Palm would continue development of BeOs. We all know what happened there.

As a Qt developer, when Nokia bought Trolltech I was very apprehensive and feared for the future of Qt. Nokia however proved to invest in Qt and foster a community around the project. There was a bright future for Qt. But now they have just raised a giant middle finger to all the devs working with Qt. I am deeply, deeply saddened by this news and quit angry as well.

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RE[3]: Oh well
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 11th Feb 2011 14:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Oh well"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Thom, are you an OS enthusiast or a business strategist?


So, because I happen to like a different platform than you I'm suddenly a business strategist?

You do realize they have just announced the death of Qt and the death of the only true open platform for mobile phones?


So open source can't stand on its own two feet without money pouring in from businesses?

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RE[2]: Oh well
by SpeechManiac on Fri 11th Feb 2011 15:41 in reply to "RE: Oh well"
SpeechManiac Member since:
2008-03-27

Do you actually read before you hit "Submit"?

You can't even compare the two: There are many many many more "dumb" phones sold than smart phones (which need charging at least once a day - yeah, really smart that crap).

Aside that little detail (how good's a phone when it's out of battery?), MeeGo was a great migration plan to a modern phone OS. WP7 just simply doesn't fit.

I guess, the dude from Microsoft did his job.

RIP, Nokia.

PS: I do like WP7, don't get me wrong. But it just doesn't fit in Nokia's portfolio.

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RE[2]: Oh well
by bitwelder on Fri 11th Feb 2011 16:59 in reply to "RE: Oh well"
bitwelder Member since:
2010-04-27

Get real.

i.e. just commit suicide.

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