Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 27th Feb 2011 20:26 UTC
Mac OS X Earlier this week, Apple released the first developer preview of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion. At the same time, Apple listed a number of new features we hadn't yet heard about, which are quite interesting. There are two themes: bringing iOS to Mac OS X, and adding features other operating systems have had for ages - except in such a way that you can actually use them. Update: Fixed that scrolling thing. It's the other way around of course.
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Laughing
by deathshadow on Mon 28th Feb 2011 10:53 UTC
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2005-07-12

Hysterically at the "full screen" part -- hey Apple, nothing like twenty years late to the party?

That's actually been one of my long-standing gripes about the apple UI, that there is no such thing as maximize, the closest you have being "this is how big Apple thinks you need it" -- yeah, real useful.

Of course that -- as noted by another poster, it's completely broken/annoyingly useless on multi-monitor systems. Funny how the OS who used to do multiple displays best has been lagging behind Win on that front since 1998.

Also laughing at conversations and airdrop, the former being something no e-mail client has EVER gotten right so I'm not real hopeful on that being useful, and the latter being "ooh look, the functionality of AIM circa 1997" -- actually that's not fair -- AIM and most messaging clients let you send files to anyone ANYWHERE, not just because they happen to be wireless and nearby... Of course am I the only one who smells security HELL?

... and who can forget mission control -- Expose on steroids and STILL lacking the usefulness of the simplest of desktop interfaces; the taskbar -- which I'll stack up against the dock and all these idiotic animated crap where you can't tell any of the thumbnails apart any day. But that's why when I'm stuck on a quackintosh for any amount of time (like 3-4 hours a week) the first thing I do is make sure Fantasktik is installed. Now if I could just get a portrait mode taskbar on the right-most display with none of that 'grouping' nonsense.

Now if they could just stop screwing around with goofy filesystem navigation techniques that make windows 3.1's file manager look robust. (but I say the same thing about most *nix WM's file management -- for **** sake, just show me a file tree... praise be for unixTree)

Edited 2011-02-28 10:56 UTC

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RE: Laughing
by Sabon on Mon 28th Feb 2011 16:34 in reply to "Laughing"
Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

Laughing - me too. Anyone that would pick the Taskbar over the Dock makes me laugh.

I HATE that you can't have the exact same programs in the exact same places each and every time you run the OS. Oh, sure you can in Windows if you open up the apps in the exact same order each time AND Explorer doesn't hang/crash.

I've used over a dozen unique OSs since 1979 and I would NOT pick the Taskbar.

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RE[2]: Laughing
by apoclypse on Mon 28th Feb 2011 17:02 in reply to "RE: Laughing"
apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

Well to be fair, they kind of fixed this behavior in Windows 7. Its very much like the Dock in certain ways. in some ways it might be better. I still prefer the OSX Dock, despite its shortcomings.

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RE[2]: Laughing
by REM2000 on Mon 28th Feb 2011 17:40 in reply to "RE: Laughing"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

Windows 7 has finally solved this, it was a big bugbear for me too, I used to hate having to call up the apps in order and then when one crashed it messed the whole thing up. However the task bar in windows 7 has taken on a lot of dock like qualities and really extends Windows into a more productive platform. It's the small things ;)

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RE[2]: Laughing
by deathshadow on Tue 1st Mar 2011 05:56 in reply to "RE: Laughing"
deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

I HATE that you can't have the exact same programs in the exact same places each and every time you run the OS.

So menu, quick launch AND desktop are not "the same place every time"?!? Since when?

Oh, sure you can in Windows if you open up the apps in the exact same order each time AND Explorer doesn't hang/crash.

Ah yes, the mythical "explorer crashing" that I've never once seen... Of course that a PROPER taskbar arrangement orders them by program is SUCH a drawback..

I've used over a dozen unique OSs since 1979 and I would NOT pick the Taskbar.

While I would NOT pick the dock as it's USELESS in terms of seeing what programs are open (yeah that crappy little triangle is SO visible), what files are open in said programs (stacks kind-of helped that, but not really)...

Though to be honest I have to make a lot of changes even in windows to make the taskbar USEFUL, or should I say, dial it back to windows 98 to make it useful. 98 was the pinnacle of UI design, and everything since has been bloated useless crippled rubbish -- at least windows let's you roll back the clock.

Turn off that "personalized menu" crap, since I thought the point of a menu was to show me ALL the options, not the ones I happen to have used lately, disable the "grouping" as I want to see what files are ACTUALLY open, not just what programs (in fact I consider what program is open to be less important than the FILE), move it to portrait mode on one of my side displays so I have all sorts of room not just for programs to be listed, but also for a quick launch (which they took away but you can still re-create in 7), remove all that 'sticky launcher' crap that works like the dock. (Good for small screens, useless trash for large screens), tell it to NOT hide the icons of programs running, tell it NOT to hide file extensions (because that was SUCH a good idea, right Anna Kournikova?), etc, etc, etc..

Of course my liking the taskbar in portrait on one side comes from my time using BeOS... which did a whole bunch of things right.

The OS all suck in different ways, but at least windows lets you change **** you don't like... While with OSux you can't change the OS font sizes to something legible, you can't change ANY of the UI behaviors in a meaningful fashion, the user controls for multi-tasking are next to useless... Though at least it has the best handling of installing/removing software I've ever seen -- at least right up until I tried to get SDL working in xCode.

Of course, when the development API is larger than the OS is (once you strip out the multi-gigabyte printer driver nonsense) there has to be SOMETHING wrong with it.

After 30 years of using everything from a Cosmac Elf to the latest and greatest... So far as utility for seeing what is actually running on a computer, OSX (and MacOS before it) are so horribly uselessly crippled it's a miracle anyone gets any actually work done on them -- /onion/ Instead of just dicking around /onion/

I develop cross-platform software -- Linsux? NO PROBLEM! Windblows? It's BUILT for developers, developers, developers, developers -- OSSux? Not so much. Every time I have to deal with it I feel the overwhelming urge to go throw the machine out the window from the uselessly convoluted API and development environment (people actually LIKE xCode?!?), uselessly crippled user interface, total lack of ability to scale ANYTHING (But then I've been using Large fonts/120dpi on Win since it was called 8514)

But to put that in perspective I'm the guy who considers tabs in a IDE/Editor a step BACKWARDS, since how are you supposed to have your files open on separate displays or side-by-side when they're stuck in a single crappy window?

Which again, is "welcome to 1984" -- actually, not true, in 1984 I was running a MDA side by side with a CGA for code debugging.

Edited 2011-03-01 05:57 UTC

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RE: Laughing
by MysterMask on Tue 1st Mar 2011 22:40 in reply to "Laughing"
MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Hysterically at the "full screen" part -- hey Apple, nothing like twenty years late to the party?

You obviously don't get 'full screen'. Hint: It's not the same as maximize.


Of course that -- as noted by another poster, it's completely broken/annoyingly useless on multi-monitor systems.

We're talking about a beta.

Funny how the OS who used to do multiple displays best has been lagging behind Win on that front since 1998.

Hardly. From personal experience I can assure you that concerning usability, WinXP didn't even get close to MacOs (I don't know about Win7, but knowing MS' idea of "usability", they're probably still stuck with message boxes overlapping monitor borders ..)

AIM circa 1997"

You need AIM for something trivial as moving files in a local network? *irks*
(but of course you can do that on a Mac, too, if you have to)

just show me a file tree

Apart from MacOS having file tree view since around System 6: this is an inefficient view for daily work most of the time. Power users I know abandoned Explorer long ago and went for something like Total Commander or use a good assortment of links (because most of the time people visit the same few places in the filesystem anyway, so why bother scrolling and searching in a tree).
Personally, I always get nervous when I have to watch people inefficiently scrolling and clicking in the FS tree to move from one place to another even though they use the same few spots in the FS all day long, not getting the idea that opening a second window would be far faster and easier than moving to-and-fro. But alas ..

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