Linked by Hadrien Grasland on Mon 28th Feb 2011 11:23 UTC, submitted by Joao Luis
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Now that the dust has settled after Stephen Elop's big announcement on the 11th February 2011, many have come to realise that actually Nokia's move towards a a new Ecosystem is not as bad as what they thought. [...] But what does all this mean for the Nokia Developers? When the proposed partnership with Microsoft was announced, many felt betrayed and worried about their future, but after having heard and assisted a number of workshops at the Nokia Developer Day at this years Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, earlier this month, their outlook towards the new ecosystem has taken a 180 degree turn and are now looking at the proposed partnership with a lot more enthusiasm, recognising the potential it will bring them in the coming months."
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_txf_
Member since:
2008-03-17

I'd say one of the primary reasons Nokia bought Qt in the first place is because GTK sucks. They tried for years to mobilize it with Hildon and couldn't do it...

At this point Meego handset is far more capable than a zombfied corpse that is maemo and gtk (Hildon), those were fine 2 years ago, not so now..

Note that you're also saying that debian could transform into fedora quite easily; As much as I like debian there is no way this is going happen smoothly. The point is moot as it has already happened.

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saso Member since:
2007-04-18

I'd say one of the primary reasons Nokia bought Qt in the first place is because GTK sucks. They tried for years to mobilize it with Hildon and couldn't do it...


Can't dispute this point, as I'm not intimately familiar with Gtk's architecture, so I can't judge whether adding extensions for small screens would really be very difficult.

At this point Meego handset is far more capable than a zombfied corpse that is maemo and gtk (Hildon), those were fine 2 years ago, not so now..


I haven't used MeeGo recently, only watched videos of release 1.1 on testing platforms from about 3-4 months back and it still looked pretty crude. I have, however, a few experiences with Maemo and I'd hardly described it as a zombified corpse, though again, I'm not intimately familiar with the details of the platform, so I can't comment on whether there are significant architectural hurdles to overcome. Can you please point me to some concrete objections to Maemo's architecture?

Note that you're also saying that debian could transform into fedora quite easily; As much as I like debian there is no way this is going happen smoothly. The point is moot as it has already happened.


I said no such thing. What I did say was that the framework stacks should be sufficiently similar. To illustrate my point: Gtk, Qt and a whole bunch of other frameworks (libraries) run just fine on both Fedora and Debian (and nearly any other distro, for that matter). Obviously not everything could be ported, e.g. software that messes around with distro-specific bits of the OS. However, well written software should not be that difficult to run nearly unmodified in either environment.

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Can you please point me to some concrete objections to Maemo's architecture?


Can Not (it is fundamentally the same as Meego). There isn't a major problem with its arch other than the fact that it is old and unmaintained and incompatible with the modern meego specs.For application development it is fine, but as a finished and hardened product, No.

Is there even system wide support for rotation, a modern kernel, recent X?

I said no such thing. What I did say was that the framework stacks should be sufficiently similar. To illustrate my point: Gtk, Qt and a whole bunch of other frameworks (libraries) run just fine on both Fedora and Debian (and nearly any other distro, for that matter). Obviously not everything could be ported, e.g. software that messes around with distro-specific bits of the OS. However, well written software should not be that difficult to run nearly unmodified in either environment.


There is the current Qt mobility and Multimedia framework which abstracts things away. Power considerations, space considerations that are magnitudes worse in mobile environments. Then you have people using lower level frameworks that bring issues when using higher level frameworks. Fundamentally things will run on both, but there is breakage between distros especially at lower level userspace.

There is also a serious issue having two frameworks and telling developers "here start with this, it is old and unmaintained and just wait for the new hotness to come in bits and pieces" or "here use this, we will be replacing it soon so watch out". This has the potential to create huge fragmentation, magnitudes worse than what is seen in android. Ultimately they aren't aiming for an n900 where most of the community are developers, they want a consistent product or none at all.

Edited 2011-03-01 12:19 UTC

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spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

I disagree.
They went with MeeGo to reduce costs and create synergies with Intel, not because it is architecturally superior or anything like that. Maemo is far more capable than what you think. QT is far more integrated than GTK, has better tools and does a lot more stuff. GTK is more modular, more simple and does what it does right. GTK has a proper at-spi binding.
The Android/iOS mindset is that one toolkit is enough for anybody. Simplicity is better than features, etc.
This is total non-sense. Less toolkit is more complexity and less features. MeeGo will have dalvik ported and bridge the gap that Android created with their additional toolkit.

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mkone Member since:
2006-03-14

I'd say one of the primary reasons Nokia bought Qt in the first place is because GTK sucks. They tried for years to mobilize it with Hildon and couldn't do it...

At this point Meego handset is far more capable than a zombfied corpse that is maemo and gtk (Hildon), those were fine 2 years ago, not so now..

Note that you're also saying that debian could transform into fedora quite easily; As much as I like debian there is no way this is going happen smoothly. The point is moot as it has already happened.


Nokia made many technology bets that turned out to be not very wise. The biggest problem is that there did not seem to be a single person with a vision for where Nokia needed to be in say a year or two. Besides, Qt, was not the wisest choice either. Google decided to go with a Java derivative, Apple went with Objective C, and Microsoft with Silverlight. I think Nokia would have been wiser if they had licensed .NET from Microsoft to run on top of Linux or any other OS.

The biggest problem is that Nokia was fixated on the manufacturing process, and their global reach, and they

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