Linked by David Adams on Thu 3rd Mar 2011 04:40 UTC, submitted by Amy Bennett
Java Later this year, Oracle will begin requiring people interested in gaining Java and Solaris certifications to attend "hands-on" training courses, at an additional cost of thousands of dollars. The new rule goes into effect Aug. 1 and regards Java Architect, Java Developer, Solaris System Administrator and Solaris Security Administrator certification paths, according to a notice on Oracle's website.
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Disappointing
by Zaitch on Thu 3rd Mar 2011 09:57 UTC
Zaitch
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2007-11-23

Like most exams, you can train to pass the exam, but I got both SCSA and SCNA a year or two ago, and learnt a lot of new tricks (even though I'd been doing Solaris for 10 years)

I can see both sides of args for certifications, but personally, if your cv/resume is side by side against another and you have certification and the other doesn't, I think that differentiator for you makes them valuable. YMMV.

I also think they are a good way of focusing the mind on learning a new skill with a distinct end point or deadline to meet (the exam!) and the sense of achievement as a result

Regarding the announcement, I think this is a really odd and disappointing move by oracle, and seems counter intuitive. How are they going to get the people in the emerging economies building their infrastructure on solaris by raising the price barrier? What about motivated individuals who like to formalise their skills, or who self-teach for the challenge, who suddenly are required to sit in a class for a week?

Perhaps it raises the "price" of solaris specialists in the near to medium term (good for me?) but this price and the reduced availability of specialists will drive system implementors to other platforms with cheaper labour/licensing/system costs. Oracle is very good at monetizing their IP, perhaps they have a plan for this.

I've been meaning to do SCJP for some time, just for the hell of it, but it seems unlikely now, as I'd struggle before Aug 1st. I think I'd be more inclined to go after one of the linux-certifications or something else next for my "collection"

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RE: Disappointing
by Kroc on Thu 3rd Mar 2011 10:37 in reply to "Disappointing"
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2005-11-10

How are they going to get the people in the emerging economies building their infrastructure on solaris by raising the price barrier?


Oracle don’t have to, they operate at a high end and assume the low end is handled by everybody else.

India and China’s economies are rising and when companies there grow to a point that they need to do serious db stuff the low end can’t handle, they will come to Oracle. (that’s Oracles stance, anyway)

It’s sad, but this is how the corporate world works and Oracle have no trouble gaining business.

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RE[2]: Disappointing
by Soulbender on Thu 3rd Mar 2011 16:05 in reply to "RE: Disappointing"
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2005-08-18

Exactly how is Java high-end?
Oh wait, it does hog all your memory, is unnecessary complex and makes you long for the clarity of Perl scripts. It's got "Enterprise" written all over it.

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RE[2]: Disappointing
by Flatland_Spider on Fri 4th Mar 2011 05:23 in reply to "RE: Disappointing"
Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

Nothing beats Oracle when you have to do heavy database stuff. With DBs, people pay for that, and they should.

The problem is with Solaris, IBM and Red Hat will make sure Linux will scale from the low end to the high end, and Oracle is turning Solaris into a niche. It's not going to be cost effective when Linux will be "good enough", and there will be loads of cheap talent.

MS does this really well. They make sure there is tons of cheap talent which can implement their products.

Both of those countries could develop their own Oracle competitors. China is nationalistic/crazy enough that Beijing could mandate it and make it so. I can see China GPLing the whole thing and giving it away.

India may just want to bootstrap their own software sector. They aren't going to be cheap labor forever.

Anyway, Oracle makes great dBs, but I see the Sun acquisition as being an expensive failure of an experiment for Oracle, in the long term. Linux/Windows and x86/ARM are good enough, and businesses won't have to hire expensive niche talent. The only thing worth anything was gaining control of Java.

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RE: Disappointing
by Savior on Thu 3rd Mar 2011 19:34 in reply to "Disappointing"
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2006-09-02

I've been meaning to do SCJP for some time, just for the hell of it, but it seems unlikely now, as I'd struggle before Aug 1st.

According to the article and the notice on Oracle's certifications page (http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?p...), the changes regard Developer and up, and hence SCJP is unaffected.

That said, I really fail to see how they hope to profit from this move. I certainly wouldn't go for an SCJD now. I wasn't happy about the news of Oracle acquiring Sun, and nothing they have done until now proved my premonition wrong.

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