Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th Mar 2011 12:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y If you were, you know, living your lives, you've probably missed it, but old fires are burning brightly once again: there's somewhat of a falling-out going on between KDE and GNOME, with Canonical siding squarely with... KDE. The issue seems to revolve around GNOME's lack of collaboration, as explained by KDE's Aaron Seigo.
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RE[2]: Desktop Linux
by grat on Sat 12th Mar 2011 10:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Desktop Linux"
grat
Member since:
2006-02-02

No, sadly, "desktop as folder view" is not a good replacement for the functionality of KDE 3.5.x. That's propaganda.

In KDE 3.5, I drag an icon to a USB device, I get the file. In KDE 4, I get the shortcut. It's a kludge (with all respect to Aaron Siego's coding skills)-- it's obvious that the plasma desktop was never designed to be a file space. Maybe that's a good thing-- Personally, I'm too used to the old way. We went from a "zoomable" interface to "activities", which are understood well by asiego, but not so much by a large percentage of the userbase.

I could insert a standard rant about "work folders", and how no desktop has gotten it right since OS/2, but it's an old, tired argument.

I could complain about the fact that Plasma and Oxygen are two incompatible paradigms on the same desktop (why must I resize a dolphin window one way, and a folder view another way?!?), but that ship has also sailed. I can't put one wallpaper across two monitors, which although minor, has been a personal irritant since KDE 4.0.

KDE 4.6 is finally getting somewhere, although the contortions akonadi puts me through make me grit my teeth.

All in all, both Gnome and KDE seem to have turned their backs on what the average user wants, and are determined to ram "their way" down the consumer's keyboard, whether we want it or not. KDE has spent the last two years improving that original stance, whereas Gnome is still impaling themselves on their sword-- so of course KDE comes across as more reasonable.

Hey Aaron, if you're reading this... what's the use case for rotating a plasma widget? I haven't come up with one that isn't a gimmick. And I'd still like to be able to shrink/iconify a folder view and/or activity to a single widget. ;)

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RE[3]: Desktop Linux
by Anonymous Penguin on Sat 12th Mar 2011 21:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Desktop Linux"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm too used to the old way. We went from a "zoomable" interface to "activities", which are understood well by asiego, but not so much by a large percentage of the userbase.


Exactly. That is what I say to myself: KDE 3.5 was a desktop for users, KDE 4 is a desktop for geeks.
You have managed to explain very well what I was trying to say. However that doesn't explain why I was modded down twice.

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RE[4]: Desktop Linux
by jbauer on Sun 13th Mar 2011 18:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Desktop Linux"
jbauer Member since:
2005-07-06

" I'm too used to the old way. We went from a "zoomable" interface to "activities", which are understood well by asiego, but not so much by a large percentage of the userbase.


Exactly. That is what I say to myself: KDE 3.5 was a desktop for users, KDE 4 is a desktop for geeks.
You have managed to explain very well what I was trying to say. However that doesn't explain why I was modded down twice.
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That's because it was basically a Windows clone. KDE4 is what you get when a bunch of hackers with no UI experience or taste try to innovate

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RE[3]: Desktop Linux
by tuma324 on Mon 14th Mar 2011 06:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Desktop Linux"
tuma324 Member since:
2010-04-09

Hey Aaron, if you're reading this... what's the use case for rotating a plasma widget? I haven't come up with one that isn't a gimmick. And I'd still like to be able to shrink/iconify a folder view and/or activity to a single widget. ;)


I'm not Aaron but I believe that's a functionality they added for form factors like touch displays, etc. So you can move widgets as you wish with your hands, and rotate them, etc.

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