Linked by Dedoimedo on Thu 17th Mar 2011 23:17 UTC
Debian and its clones Writing about Debian is not a simple thing. You know it's the giant that has spawned pretty much every other distro out there. It's almost like a Roman Empire, almost a taboo. Furthermore, it's not a desktop distro per se. It's more sort of a template you use to build your platform. It's also a SOHO server distro, therefore it more fits into the business category, comparable to CentOS and similar.
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Comment by marblesbot
by marblesbot on Fri 18th Mar 2011 01:58 UTC
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2009-12-25

The only problem I've had with Squeeze is that, since I didn't read through the release notes and changes, I didn't know GRUB2 has replaced GRUB. I prefer GRUB. I don't totally agree with the "free only" stance Debian and some other distros take, but that is not a problem. All these distros make it more than easy to use non-free software. I'd say if choosing the right installation method is confusing, maybe you shouldn't be installing. Actually, I do have one other problem with Debian. I don't like that "suggested" packages are treated as dependencies out of the box. Easily fixable, I just think "suggested" packages should be just that.

Thinking about it now, Debian has always had THE easiest installer. I hate those livecd one click installers. I've never gotten one of the "modern" installers to finish right. The Debian installer has always finished with the expected results. In all fairness, though, I quit using the default install method of other distros long ago. They might actually work these days.

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RE: Comment by marblesbot
by phoenix on Fri 18th Mar 2011 17:42 in reply to "Comment by marblesbot"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

The only problem I've had with Squeeze is that, since I didn't read through the release notes and changes, I didn't know GRUB2 has replaced GRUB. I prefer GRUB.


Ugh, GRUB2 is just nasty. Especially the way its installed on Debian/Ubuntu.

GRUB1 was easy to manage: just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst

GRUB2 is impossible to manage, as there are 4 different directories under /etc where the config is splattered around, with most of it being scripted and so chock full of variables that aren't defined anywhere. Good luck getting a simple listing of what's checked, in what order, during the boot.

I don't know if it's a specific Debian thing, or
a general Linux thing, but this move toward umpteen zillion tiny config files for each service is just assinine! It's making it impossible to manage servers via SSH and a text editor.

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RE[2]: Comment by marblesbot
by marblesbot on Fri 18th Mar 2011 22:19 in reply to "RE: Comment by marblesbot"
marblesbot Member since:
2009-12-25

I totally agree. I tried to edit the GRUB config file after I installed the new FreeBSD next to Debian and COULD NOT find it. I'm normally an ArchLinux user and they've mostly stayed away from all the split config files. Or I haven't noticed a big change. Of course, Debian is the standard for so many other distros so whatever way they go is where all the others go, too.

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RE: Comment by marblesbot - yup
by jabbotts on Mon 21st Mar 2011 20:56 in reply to "Comment by marblesbot"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

I miss the nice clean GRUB config file. I could simply add or correct the entry for my Win7 partition. GRUB2 and it's automagic that wasn't having anything to do with my Win7 boot loader. Maybe it's been fixed now, I need to check. Until now, it's been the BIOS device menu for Win7 and GRUB2 for everything else.

Least one can aptitude install GRUB and let it yank GRUB2 out of the way.

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