Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th Mar 2011 13:19 UTC
Legal And so Sony's crusade against Playstation 3 hacker George "Geohot" Hotz continues. After Sony getting all of Geohot's computers and access to server logs and personal details from many of his websites and social media accounts, Sony has now been given access to Geohot's PayPal account, and all information within it - including of the people he has had financial dealings with.
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RE[4]: In Sony's corner
by WereCatf on Fri 18th Mar 2011 11:58 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: In Sony's corner"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

What "bread and butter" did Hotz steal from you and your family? How in the hell is re-enabling OtherOS and homebrew possibly going to affect your paycheck?


This is something I often see people claiming, and I seriously can't fathom WHY it is such a popular "argument." Don't people understand the difference, do they somehow really think that running Linux on your PS3 equates piracy, or what?

I mean, the fact is that homebrew is by very definition software made by people in their spare time, for free, and only for their and/or others' enjoyment, and it takes nothing away from commercial products unless you count it as competition, and even then competition has never been a bad thing. And running Linux? Well, since Sony isn't providing OtherOS functionality anymore then there isn't anyone losing their job anyways with people releasing other ways of running Linux on the PS3.

Good lord, the Stupid is with you today.


I quite like this comment, I feel tempted to take it as my next signature ;)

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RE[5]: In Sony's corner
by r_a_trip on Fri 18th Mar 2011 14:37 in reply to "RE[4]: In Sony's corner"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

[q]What "bread and butter" did Hotz steal from you and your family? How in the hell is re-enabling OtherOS and homebrew possibly going to affect your paycheck?

This is something I often see people claiming, and I seriously can't fathom WHY it is such a popular "argument." Don't people understand the difference, do they somehow really think that running Linux on your PS3 equates piracy, or what?[q]

It is a rather conformist and unthinking argument. I can piece the reasoning together pretty well, if I severely suppress my inclination to being an individual.

Sony made the PS3 to be used as a gaming device. Therefore its use is predefined and limited to playing games. Games are made by game developers, who earn their living with that. So if you use a PS3 with legal software (e.g. Linux) that isn't in the for pay gaming category, you are robbing game developers of making a living. Also, since Sony sells the PS3 at a loss and recoups the money through various licensing revenue, you are stealing potential revenue from Sony if you use your bought PS3 as something else than a gaming device.

It is a pure lemming way of thinking. In darker times these people always go to the slaughterhouse first.

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RE[6]: In Sony's corner
by WereCatf on Fri 18th Mar 2011 16:03 in reply to "RE[5]: In Sony's corner"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Sony made the PS3 to be used as a gaming device. Therefore its use is predefined and limited to playing games.


Doesn't fly. Sony themselves designed AND advertised PS3 for use with Linux, ergo it is definitely not predefined and limited to playing games.

Games are made by game developers, who earn their living with that. So if you use a PS3 with legal software (e.g. Linux) that isn't in the for pay gaming category, you are robbing game developers of making a living.


This doesn't fly either: there is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that the people running Linux would buy games if they couldn't run it. Besides, running Linux on it wouldn't prohibit them from also buying games if it weren't for Sony.

Also, since Sony sells the PS3 at a loss


Again, doesn't fly: Sony hasn't been selling PS3 at a loss ever since they brought the slim out. Only the fat one was sold at a loss.

It is a pure lemming way of thinking. In darker times these people always go to the slaughterhouse first.


Actually in the middle-ages the "lemming way of thinking" was not only encouraged, you often got burned down as a witch or heretic if you dared to think for yourself. Luckily nowadays you don't die for it, you only get sued to hell.

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RE[6]: In Sony's corner
by Alfman on Fri 18th Mar 2011 17:31 in reply to "RE[5]: In Sony's corner"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

r_a_trip,

"Sony made the PS3 to be used as a gaming device. Therefore its use is predefined and limited to playing games."

For you maybe, there is nothing inherently immoral or illegal by modifying one's own hardware to do more.

"Games are made by game developers, who earn their living with that. So if you use a PS3 with legal software (e.g. Linux) that isn't in the for pay gaming category, you are robbing game developers of making a living"

Except that sony themselves sold the PS3 with other os. Not to mention that it you sell something under cost, you need to be prepared to handle the consequences of customers buying your goods under cost.

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RE[5]: In Sony's corner
by Morgan on Fri 18th Mar 2011 15:48 in reply to "RE[4]: In Sony's corner"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

"Good lord, the Stupid is with you today.


I quite like this comment, I feel tempted to take it as my next signature ;)
"

Go right ahead, I promise not to sue you for "piracy". ;)

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