Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 26th Mar 2011 02:00 UTC
Mac OS X When you run smbd -V on your Snow Leopard installation, you'll see it's running SAMBA version 3.0.28a-apple. While I'm not sure how much difference the "-apple" makes, version 3.0.28a is old. Very old. In other words, it's riddled with bugs. Apple hasn't updated SAMBA in 3 years, and for Lion, they're dumping it altogether for something homegrown. The reason? SAMBA is now GPLv3.
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RE[3]: Comment by Brynet
by kaiwai on Sun 27th Mar 2011 04:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Brynet"
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

Software patents are horribly bad, anyway. So as a tool against software patents GPL3 has a point.


Of course but try to explain to Joe and Jane Sixpack why they should care - they're more concerned about the boggy men (God, Guns and Gays) put up by senators and congressmen than actually demanding that these candidates put forward some coherent policies that extend beyond sound bite laden drivel. I know in the case of New Zealand outside the mainstream parties issues such as patents, intellectual property, net neutrality and so forth are discussed right up there with health, education and social welfare but once you get into the big mainstream parties such topics aren't even on the radar.

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RE[4]: Comment by Brynet
by spiderman on Sun 27th Mar 2011 06:40 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Brynet"
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2008-10-23

I just don't get it. In every talk about the GPL, there is always somebody raising the argument that Joe Sixpack does not care about the license. What is the point about Joe Sixpack exactly? What does Joe Sixpack have to do with or against the GPL?

It's not about Joe Sixpack. I'm not Joe SixPack. Joe Sixpack does not write software and does not distribute it. Joe Sixpack does not know what software patents and the GPL are and he does not have to.

Joe Sixpack buys a computer and does not understand why it can't interact with his smartphone and why he can't read the document he wrote some years ago with an old word processor. Joe Sixpack does not want to know why it does not work. He just want his damn computer to work.

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RE[5]: Comment by Brynet
by oiaohm on Sun 27th Mar 2011 06:58 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Brynet"
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2009-05-30

I just don't get it. In every talk about the GPL, there is always somebody raising the argument that Joe Sixpack does not care about the license. What is the point about Joe Sixpack exactly? What does Joe Sixpack have to do with or against the GPL?

It's not about Joe Sixpack. I'm not Joe SixPack. Joe Sixpack does not write software and does not distribute it. Joe Sixpack does not know what software patents and the GPL are and he does not have to.

Joe Sixpack buys a computer and does not understand why it can't interact with his smartphone and why he can't read the document he wrote some years ago with an old word processor. Joe Sixpack does not want to know why it does not work. He just want his damn computer to work.


Ok let me explain this for Joe Sixpack why companies refusing GPLv2/GPLv3 should draw worry.

Main reason for not wanting GPLv2/GPLv3 is companies wanting exclusive control over your machine. Lets take the apple store. Apple reserves the right to remove any application that conflicts for market with one of their applications.

Effective mean of this. If Apple makes a buggy application for ipad/iphone you cannot have competing product.

Anti tivo clause in GPLv3 also requires Apple to allow user to install newer version. Users want there computer to work. What are you going todo if Apple version of SMB protocal is buggy in your device worse part is Apple decides not to allow an update. So now you have to buy a new device.

GPLv3 is about protecting the User. From being forced to buy a new product just because apple/who ever decided not to update it. Yet third parties will be able to offer updates for those devices due to the anti-tivo clause.

The clause has no requirement to hand over the appstore key. Only a signing key that will allow the gplv3 software to work.

So yes gplv3 gives Joe Sixpack a better chance that his phone and computer can be made integrate due to the fact the device will have better odds of being able to get working updates one way or another.

Anti-GPL is pro device maker anti end user.

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RE[5]: Comment by Brynet
by kaiwai on Sun 27th Mar 2011 09:05 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Brynet"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I just don't get it. In every talk about the GPL, there is always somebody raising the argument that Joe Sixpack does not care about the license. What is the point about Joe Sixpack exactly? What does Joe Sixpack have to do with or against the GPL?

It's not about Joe Sixpack. I'm not Joe SixPack. Joe Sixpack does not write software and does not distribute it. Joe Sixpack does not know what software patents and the GPL are and he does not have to.

Joe Sixpack buys a computer and does not understand why it can't interact with his smartphone and why he can't read the document he wrote some years ago with an old word processor. Joe Sixpack does not want to know why it does not work. He just want his damn computer to work.


If Joe Sixpack saw patent reforms as an important matter then he would put pressure on the political establishment - that if they want his vote they have to come up with a patent reform package that would convince him to vote for said candidate. The issue isn't about licenses, it isn't about GPL, about reading the thread before opening your mouth. The original post by woozx:

Software patents are horribly bad, anyway. So as a tool against software patents GPL3 has a point.


I am replying EXPLICITLY about patents, not GPL3, not the snow man or the only gay eskimo in the tribe but software patents. Look at his post, look at my post - you bringing up GPL3 has absolutely NO relevance what so ever to what I posted. If you want to address GPL3 then reply to HIS post, if you want to talk about software patents and only software patents then reply to my post.

Edited 2011-03-27 09:07 UTC

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