Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th Mar 2011 22:07 UTC, submitted by JCinSpain
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless I'm still reeling from the unrivalled epicness and awesomeness that is Sucker Punch in IMAX (just got home - do not miss this film), but now I'm back to boring old reality where we apparently care about pieces of plastic that go beep. So, anywho. The deal between Nokia and Microsoft has many Symbian and Qt developers worry about the future of their platforms. To address these concerns, Purnima Kochikar, vice president of Forum Nokia, has published an open letter describing Nokia's plans for Symbian, Qt, and Java for Series 40 devices. While the letter doesn't deliver any hard dates, the transition phase to Windows Phone 7 is set to 2011/2012.
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RE[4]: Actually...
by tuzor on Tue 29th Mar 2011 11:22 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Actually..."
tuzor
Member since:
2007-08-07

Ah, because spending boatloads of money for a phone which didn't even include a proper keyboard, nor supported basic technology like MMS and 3G in its first iteration, was better...

It doesn't have to be one way or the other, you know ;)


You also forgot to mention copy/paste, a native SDK etc etc.
Go dig up comments from Balmer, RIM and co.
There were so many back when the iPhone was introduced pointing out its flaws and predicting its demise... how right they were.

But oh wait, most of these issues were addressed in the years following.
On the other hand, 5 years later, Nokia is still selling junk.

Most of the features were left out for a reason, which is one thing Apple often excels in.
3G was left out due to battery issues, copy/paste/MMS so they could get it out asap and address them later.

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RE[5]: Actually...
by spiderman on Tue 29th Mar 2011 12:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Actually..."
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

But oh wait, most of these issues were addressed in the years following.
On the other hand, 5 years later, Nokia is still selling junk.

Most of the features were left out for a reason, which is one thing Apple often excels in.
3G was left out due to battery issues, copy/paste/MMS so they could get it out asap and address them later.

Even 5 years after Apple launched the first iPhone, we still have to deal with nonsense like that. Apple does not "excels" at leaving out features. They are just slow to implement them. The iPhone is not the second coming of Jesus Christ FFS. When it is Apple, it is "for a reason". When it is not Apple, it is junk. What did they do to your brain?

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RE[6]: Actually...
by tuzor on Tue 29th Mar 2011 14:56 in reply to "RE[5]: Actually..."
tuzor Member since:
2007-08-07

The iPhone is a landmark in smartphone history, that's what it is.

You wouldn't have devices like the HTC incredible S had it not been for Apple's success with the iPhone. (Of course that goes both ways; Amazon's Cloud will have a similar effect, in that it will push Google and Apple to deliver on something similar asap, not 5 years down the road)
That success was due to a number of reasons and one of those reasons is leaving out 3G for example in the first iteration because the battery would be miserable (just like most 3g smartphones at the time).
This is what you don't get and what their competitors haven't understood since the age of the iPod.
The iPad was ridiculed at the start for not having a usb interface, a card reader, a camera etc. Do I need to go on or do you get it now?
Those things were left out intentionally.

Edited 2011-03-29 14:57 UTC

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RE[5]: Actually...
by shmerl on Tue 29th Mar 2011 14:38 in reply to "RE[4]: Actually..."
shmerl Member since:
2010-06-08

> Most of the features were left out for a reason,
> which is one thing Apple often excels in.

It doesn't mean that it's good. Apple intentionally cripples their devices, and excels in DRM and obsessive control for whatever reason. It doesn't improve usability - on the contrary.

Why anyone needs some screwed iTunes to transfer files from a computer to a device? Why one can't use normal USB connection? Apple think they know why and they think everyone agrees. But I really don't care about crippled devices.

Edited 2011-03-29 14:39 UTC

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RE[6]: Actually...
by MysterMask on Wed 30th Mar 2011 01:33 in reply to "RE[5]: Actually..."
MysterMask Member since:
2005-07-12

Apple intentionally cripples their devices, and excels in DRM and obsessive control for whatever reason. It doesn't improve usability - on the contrary.


If you want to see crippled devices due to DRM and obsessive control, look no further then plain old Symbian / Nokia.

Oh, well, they had copy/past, MMS, .., and horrible usability. Some techies still don't get it that pure feature lists don't count in the end. And given a Joe Average user, syncing a phone via USB / filesystem manually is under no circumstances better than something like iTunes.

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RE[5]: Actually...
by Soulbender on Tue 29th Mar 2011 18:04 in reply to "RE[4]: Actually..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Most of the features were left out for a reason, which is one thing Apple often excels in.

3G was left out due to battery issues, copy/paste/MMS so they could get it out asap and address them later.


Amazing how much MS and Apple are alike, eh?

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RE[6]: Actually...
by superstoned on Wed 30th Mar 2011 14:40 in reply to "RE[5]: Actually..."
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

yes, it is funny to see someone bash Apple for not having copy-paste in the iPhone (years ago!) while MS dares to release a phone OS without copy-paste just months ago ;)

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