Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th May 2011 22:13 UTC
Apple We've had an immense hubbub about the delay in the source code release of Honeycomb, which led to a storm of critique being sent Google's way. Turns out there's another company withholding source code, and this time it's Apple. They have stopped releasing the LGPL source code for WebKit in iOS since iOS 4.3.0, released about 8 weeks ago. Turns out - this isn't the first time Apple has refused to release (L)GPL'd code. It took them six months to release the required GPL source code for iOS 4.1.
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Comment by molnarcs
by molnarcs on Sat 7th May 2011 06:36 UTC
molnarcs
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2005-09-10

I'm still unhappy about the lack of a source code release for Honeycomb, but this Apple thing is just as bad. I'm just wondering why nobody seems to be reporting this.


A small correction - Google did releases the (L)GPL parts of the Honeycomb stack. They delayed the release of the full AOSP build, but they are clearly in the green as far as (L)GPL compliance goes. IE they released the source to the Honeycomb kernel.

Apple, however, is in clear violation of the (L)GPL. Jobs is too busy convincing people they invented webkit: "Apple even creates open standards for the web. For example, Apple began with a small open source project and created WebKit, a complete open-source HTML5 rendering engine"

No, this is far worse than the Honeycomb case. They not only are in violation of the GPL, they also show great disrespect for the hard work of the KHTML team at KDE, forgetting that the first release of Safari was based on an almost verbatim copy of the entire source tree of KHTML.

Edited 2011-05-07 06:37 UTC

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RE: Comment by molnarcs
by Large_Whale on Sat 7th May 2011 15:27 in reply to "Comment by molnarcs"
Large_Whale Member since:
2011-05-07

Please go to webkit.org, the KDE/KHTML team is clearly credited in the very top of the page. Even though it is a prehistoric project branch.

Now go to chromium.org that actively uses WebKit. They apparently aren't happy to say they are using Apple's efforts, nor KDE's. Even on their blog post they didn't mention "Apple" or "KDE", let alone "KHTML". http://blog.chromium.org/2008/09/chrome-3s-webkit.html

But why would they? Did Google make any Android/Chrome/Chromium presentation or speech where they credited specifically and openly Apple or KDE for the WebKit/KHTML project?
Nope. To them it's completely homeless and the only brand they like is Google. Google this, Google that. ;)

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RE[2]: Comment by molnarcs
by molnarcs on Sat 7th May 2011 18:45 in reply to "RE: Comment by molnarcs"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

WTF? The linked blog talks about Chrome ffs, not webkit. They mention that it uses webkit and they link to the webkit website, but the post is about Chrome - which is written entirely (and opensourced) by Google. Jobs, however, is talking about webkit.

In fact, Google starts their announcement with this:
Our recent launch of Google Chrome simply would not have been possible were it not for the awesome WebKit rendering engine and the amazing team behind it.

Webkit and "amazing team" are hyperlinks, the latter linking to ALL contributors. What the hell are you blathering about? (and I hope you realize the difference between a browser and a rendering engine).

Edited 2011-05-07 18:57 UTC

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RE: Comment by molnarcs
by twitterfire on Mon 9th May 2011 13:21 in reply to "Comment by molnarcs"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11

I'm still unhappy about the lack of a source code release for Honeycomb, but this Apple thing is just as bad. I'm just wondering why nobody seems to be reporting this.

A small correction - Google did releases the (L)GPL parts of the Honeycomb stack. They delayed the release of the full AOSP build, but they are clearly in the green as far as (L)GPL compliance goes. IE they released the source to the Honeycomb kernel.

Apple, however, is in clear violation of the (L)GPL. Jobs is too busy convincing people they invented webkit: "Apple even creates open standards for the web. For example, Apple began with a small open source project and created WebKit, a complete open-source HTML5 rendering engine"

No, this is far worse than the Honeycomb case. They not only are in violation of the GPL, they also show great disrespect for the hard work of the KHTML team at KDE, forgetting that the first release of Safari was based on an almost verbatim copy of the entire source tree of KHTML.


I heard that Apple even invented BSD and Unix. FreeBSD guys who copied the code from Apple have to thank them. ;)

Didn't Apple invent the iWheel, iFire, iCar, iLight iBulb and iToilet iPaper, too?

Edited 2011-05-09 13:22 UTC

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