Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th May 2011 20:35 UTC
Google It was inevitable, of course, and rightfully so: Google is having its big I/O conference, so we have to talk about the lack of Honeycomb's source code. While not violating any licenses, the lack of source code doesn't sit well with many - including myself - so it only makes sense people are asking Google about it. Andy Rubin confirmed we're never going to see Honeycomb's sources as a standalone release. He also explained what 'open' means for Android.
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RE[5]: Comment by shmerl
by aftermath on Thu 12th May 2011 01:02 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by shmerl"
aftermath
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2010-10-29

I hope I’m not being unfair here. I mean, I know this guy is a nuisance to many, but this response is even more annoying than he is.

Are you honestly criticizing somebody for leave their comment in the “comment” section? Are you honestly criticizing somebody for just leaving comments in the “comment” section and not pretending like it’s also a forum or a place for discussion? Are you honestly criticizing somebody who apparently hasn’t changed his mind on topics for expressing those opinions on any article that seems relevant to him? Are you honestly going to let everybody who replies to him off the hook even though they’re equally guilty of not changing their minds on the same topics and posting the same old replies to him whenever they see a relevant post?

He’s not even a troll. Trolls at least try to fit in so that they can trick people into jumping into a flame war. Instead, this guy is just obviously offensive, and some people are so dumb that they just follow blindly into the wake of his mayhem. That’s not a troll. That’s a jerk, but the people who blindly and righteously go after him are equally bad. In fact, this guy is doing everybody a service by making the fools plainly identify themselves.

It’s fine that you don’t share the person’s opinion. It’s fine that you can’t come to terms with the fact the he won’t change his opinion. It’s fine that you can’t come to terms with the fact that he’s going to express his opinion whenever the topic comes up. What’s not fine is that you’re obviously trying to marginalize the guy because he stands out to you. Maybe he’s right. Maybe he’s wrong. However, I’m suspicious of you. If he really is just a failed troll then your annoyance isn’t justified. Are you really this mad at the messenger?

Most people on this site say the same things over and over. You know ahead of time which comments are going to come from which people about which topics and which responses they’re going to have to which other commenters. The fact of the matter is that very few people actually add anything legitimately different to these conversation, and the simple fact that somebody has a minority, dissenting, or unpopular opinion at least adds something different, even if only predictably different, to the conversation. Of course, that’s the guy that you marginalize. No wonder your "troll" ignores everybody's "reasonable" responses.

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RE[6]: Comment by shmerl
by molnarcs on Thu 12th May 2011 04:40 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by shmerl"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

I hope I’m not being unfair here. I mean, I know this guy is a nuisance to many, but this response is even more annoying than he is.

Are you honestly criticizing somebody for leave their comment in the “comment” section? Are you honestly criticizing somebody for just leaving comments in the “comment” section and not pretending like it’s also a forum or a place for discussion? Are you honestly criticizing somebody who apparently hasn’t changed his mind on topics for expressing those opinions on any article that seems relevant to him?

Don\'t be such a drama queen. Oh, by the way, yes. I\'m criticizing him for not engaging in ANY discussion, and wasting everybody time. Now I don\'t really mind him actually. He is hilarious sometimes (in kinda sad way). But lots of people make genuine attempts to inform him, and all those attempts are wasted on him. Posting the same shit repeatedly in every f--king thread about Google with zero attempt to actually discuss and engage = trollish behaviour. Maybe you haven\'t noticed, but people are having discussions here - regardless of how you call this place (comment section or forum - who cares?).

edit> Note that I\'m not saying Thom is right here. I\'m saying his annoyance is understandable, that\'s all - so yeah, your response is way over the top. I don\'t see a reason for banning him for all time and shouting about it. Thom had it\'s own share of feeding him for sport, even though he probably never reads any replies. Most old timers just ignore him. OTOH he does bring down the level of discussion on this site - which might be a legitimate reason for banning him. Disagreeing with me or you or anybody is not the problem. Saying something to the effect that \"everybody is stupid who doesn\'t see what I see\" (paraphrasing here) without 1) bothering to elaborate 2) with some elaboration (which can be actually worse) - now that\'s a problem I think.

Edited 2011-05-12 04:51 UTC

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