Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th May 2011 18:59 UTC, submitted by fran
Gnome Something's - once again - brewing within the GNOME project. While a mere suggestion for now, and by no means any form of official policy, influential voices within the GNOME project are arguing that GNOME should become a full-fledged Linux-based operating system, and that the desktop environment should drop support for other operating systems such as Solaris and the BSDs. I have a feeling this isn't going to go down well with many of our readers.
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Please correct if wrong...
by olefiver on Thu 19th May 2011 20:47 UTC
olefiver
Member since:
2008-04-04

Doesn't this mean that in order to run Gnome, one must use systemd?
What if people want to use sysvinit, initng, upstart, runit, or eINIT...?

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RE: Please correct if wrong...
by cheemosabe on Thu 19th May 2011 20:51 in reply to "Please correct if wrong..."
cheemosabe Member since:
2009-11-29

What if people want to run DOS, what then?

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

DOS isnt part of Linux. upstart, initng etc all are.

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RE: Please correct if wrong...
by darknexus on Thu 19th May 2011 21:16 in reply to "Please correct if wrong..."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Doesn't this mean that in order to run Gnome, one must use systemd?
What if people want to use sysvinit, initng, upstart, runit, or eINIT...?


I doubt most users care which init system they're running. The real question is what if most distros don't want to switch to using systemd, as it provides no real benefits over some of the other init systems out there and would require all packages' init scripts to be rewritten?
GNOME should go linux-only, imho, but it should not depend on systemd. Not everyone wants to reinvent the wheel like Poettering seems to enjoy doing. If he wants to integrate systemd support into GNOME, great. If the Ubuntu devs wish to integrate upstart support into GNOME, that's awesome. If Debian wants to integrate sysvinit support, more power to them. Forcing a hard dependency of systemd is probably one of the worst ideas I've heard... but, then again, most of GNOME 3 seems to be one huge bad idea. To those who think forcing systemd on everyone is a good idea, remember what happened when GNOME started depending on Pulseaudio and just how well that's turned out?

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jessesmith Member since:
2010-03-11

I think the above comment has it pretty much spot on. This isn't just saying, "Screw other operating systems", it's also saying, "Screw Linux distributions that don't use systemd." That could be a problem for Debian/Ubuntu/Slackware (I think) and other distros that use other init systems.

Not only that, but the developer has stated firmly that he won't accept patches into upstream that would improve portability. Which means if someone wants to put in the work to ports things over to another distro or operating system those fixes won't get applied upstream, making it a moving target. That's going to be a huge pain for outside porters/developers.

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