Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 00:39 UTC
Windows It's 2am here (edit: I'm done writing, it's 2:38am now), and I really ought to be sleeping right about now, but for some stupid arbitrary reason, the D9 conference is held at honestly irresponsible hours for us Europeans (and we rock, damnit). So, here I am, MacBook Air on my lap, camomile tea (the Empress of Teas) in my cup, because Microsoft just had to show Windows 8's new interface for the first time at this ungodly hour. Oh, and they unveiled some more interesting stuff about Windows 8. Update: The videos from D9 are up. Mossberg talking to Steve Sinofsky, and the Windows 8 demonstration by Larson-Green.
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RE[2]: Not my thing on a desktop
by andih on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 11:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Not my thing on a desktop"
andih
Member since:
2010-03-27

This is bloat in my opinion: ;)
Illogical menus and crappy GUI
The need for running antivirus
The need for running antispywere
The need for running ccleaner or related progams
Windows run a lot of bloat processes
Endless reboots and windows upate
Design flaw having every program running its updaters
Aero is bloat
Registry is bloat
and much more.. and much more bloat to come im sure :p

No way Im changing bash terminal and awesomewm with this crap.
Awesome = real tiling window manager
Bash terminal = best file manager out there by far.
Only geeks know this though..
Casual users will sure take the bait and buy this shining new status symbol..

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twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11

This is bloat in my opinion: ;)
Illogical menus and crappy GUI
The need for running antivirus
The need for running antispywere
The need for running ccleaner or related progams
Windows run a lot of bloat processes
Endless reboots and windows upate
Design flaw having every program running its updaters
Aero is bloat
Registry is bloat
and much more.. and much more bloat to come im sure :p

No way Im changing bash terminal and awesomewm with this crap.
Awesome = real tiling window manager
Bash terminal = best file manager out there by far.
Only geeks know this though..
Casual users will sure take the bait and buy this shining new status symbol..


Yeah brother! I have to agree on that. Who needs proprietary crap when one can have a free GNU/Lunix stack?

Who needs Photoshop and MS Office when we can run the completely free Gimp and Emacs? And Gimp and Emacs are much better and faster than ugly Photoshop and Office.

Running programs from terminal is pure awesomeness. Just think of lynx (powerful web browser), Mutt (powerful email client) and Vim (powerful text editor).

And writing powerful BASH scripts is insane, it's like an orgasm!

I'm glad that you are here and using Gnu/Lunix, bro, that means there are still some true FOSS believers, that means not all people sold their souls to proprietary pigs. ;)

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"This is bloat in my opinion: ;)
Illogical menus and crappy GUI
The need for running antivirus
The need for running antispywere
The need for running ccleaner or related progams
Windows run a lot of bloat processes
Endless reboots and windows upate
Design flaw having every program running its updaters
Aero is bloat
Registry is bloat
and much more.. and much more bloat to come im sure :p

No way Im changing bash terminal and awesomewm with this crap.
Awesome = real tiling window manager
Bash terminal = best file manager out there by far.
Only geeks know this though..
Casual users will sure take the bait and buy this shining new status symbol..


Yeah brother! I have to agree on that. Who needs proprietary crap when one can have a free GNU/Lunix stack?

Who needs Photoshop and MS Office when we can run the completely free Gimp and Emacs? And Gimp and Emacs are much better and faster than ugly Photoshop and Office.

Running programs from terminal is pure awesomeness. Just think of lynx (powerful web browser), Mutt (powerful email client) and Vim (powerful text editor).

And writing powerful BASH scripts is insane, it's like an orgasm!

I'm glad that you are here and using Gnu/Lunix, bro, that means there are still some true FOSS believers, that means not all people sold their souls to proprietary pigs. ;)
"

Actually, on any of my Linux systems, if I wish to do editing/enhancement/management of digital photos, I run digikam.

http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/digikam-2-0-beta-review/
http://www.digikam.org/drupal/about/features9x

If I wish to do raster graphics composition (painting) I run Krita

http://www.calligra-suite.org/krita/

The web browsers I typically use are Firefox 4 and Google Chrome.

If I want to use an Office suite, I run LibreOffice

http://www.libreoffice.org/features/

If I want to do plain text editing, I run Kate

http://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kate/

For file management, I use Dolphin:

http://www.kde.org/applications/system/dolphin/

This set of free (both as in liberty and as in zero cost) GUI desktop application is paradoxically far better than what is available to me on any Windows desktop I am obliged to use from time to time. In addition, on a Linux system, I also enjoy a far better CLI environment if I wish to use that. Best of both worlds, for free.

Edited 2011-06-02 13:00 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

This is bloat in my opinion: ;)
Illogical menus and crappy GUI


No Windows 2000 through 7 have been pretty good tbh, Most changes other that purely aethestic have been introduced in a evolutionary fashion.

The need for running antivirus


MSE has pretty much buggar all overhead.

The need for running antispywere


Don't need to run it since I don't download any spyware ... research for the win.

The need for running ccleaner or related progams


They are only run on occasion rather infrequently ... so what is the problem exactly?

Windows run a lot of bloat processes


Not really a problem when most don't use any CPU or memory overhead unless actually doing something ... apparently someone doesn't understand how an OS schedules tasks.

Endless reboots and windows upate


Haven't rebooted for a least a week.

Design flaw having every program running its updaters


Only if you let them.

Aero is bloat


No it isn't, My GPU does the "Graphics Bit" while my CPU does the "processing bit" ... my system is more responsive as a result. I find Windows 7 to feel faster than XP running on the same hardware.

Registry is bloat


Heard of GConf?

and much more.. and much more bloat to come im sure :p


Yawn ... what you call bloat I call features ... depends whether it is of any use to you.

No way Im changing bash terminal and awesomewm with this crap.


Nobody is forcing you.

Awesome = real tiling window manager


These are only any good if you actually organise your Windows ... I don't, many users don't.

Bash terminal = best file manager out there by far.
Only geeks know this though..


Yeah because only geeks should be able to use computers ... elitism much?

Casual users will sure take the bait and buy this shining new status symbol..


Looks pretty good for casual users .. but apparenty guys like you scorn people for not being able to use a Unix Terminal like second nature ... you can live in your Ivory CLI tower pretending to be l33t whilst the rest of the world uses something that they can use easily.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

What you would consider "Normal users" are probably in the minority. I know quite a few users that use the file open/save dialog from microsoft office to do their file management. My Documents/ Desktop are the only two folders they are aware of.

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

No Windows 2000 through 7 have been pretty good tbh, Most changes other that purely aethestic have been introduced in a evolutionary fashion.


I'm sorry but I just can't let that go by

Vista is by far the worst OS ever the GUI is vile almost everything about it is vile - the search is OK and don't mention ME Vista is worse.

Edited 2011-06-02 17:08 UTC

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

The need for running antivirus


MSE has pretty much buggar all overhead.


Bugger all overhead is not the only test of an AV - only time will tell if MSE is a good AV. I personally would not uncritically trust MS with making an AV.

Edited 2011-06-02 17:11 UTC

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andih Member since:
2010-03-27

Lucas, its a matter of taste it seems. What I loathe, you seem to enjoy...
While you are happy with hardware acceleration on aero, I think needing HW acceleration for a UI shouldn’t be necessary at all. I see it as a major design flaw and bloat.

While you update your programs (ninite can be your friend here btw), MSE, defragging, scanning, indexing.., I can do things that are actually useful, instead of "useful" things that are artificially constructed by MS, what you seem to think of as features..
An example:
I don not see automated defragging when idle as a feature.. I see it as a design flaw that MS tries to hide adding bloat and complexity the OS.., not a feature.

I install, fix and maintain windows computers for a living, so I know my way around windows systems too.. Although I could never depend on a windows computer for own use.. For my needs, Windows is simply not complying.

I'm not defending gnome by the way.. Gconf can be a handful, no doubt about that. Gnome is bloat too imho.
I dont use gnome myself, but I use it for setting up computers for noobs and for those who like overlapping windows. It works until HW failure, unlike most windows systems.

These are only any good if you actually organise your Windows

If I did understand you correctly: You have clearly no idea how tiling works. With tiling you don’t have to organize your windows.. that’s the whole point with tiling. ;) No need to "mousing" around.

MSE has pretty much buggar all overhead.

Need for running MSE is still bloat ... The whole anti-virus business is alive, just because of all the weaknesses is windows... debate lol ;)

Good for you that you don't install spyware.
Everyone is not as smart as you ;)

They are only run on occasion rather infrequently ... so what is the problem exactly?

I was listing bloat, not problems. Its still bloat and ideally it would not be unnecessary.

Design flaw having every program running its updaters
-Only if you let them.

Still bloat.
Ninite is here to help. Ninite makes windows suck less :p

Casual users would normally be better off with a well set up linux system. hardcore gamers should still stick with windows for directX (or/and buy a console?).

Advanced users should check out other alternatives instead of blindly swallow everything that comes from MS, usually there is alternatives that would suite ones needs much much better than Windows, one just have to go discovering it.. nothing to do with pretending to be l33t.
When you discover it, you will probably wonder how you could put up with all that crap for so long.

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Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

"Aero is bloat"

Memory wise it isn't a very lightweight window manager like the original.

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