Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 4th Jun 2011 19:52 UTC
Internet & Networking Since it's weekend, let's start with some good news we can all be happy about. The United Nations has declared internet access a human right, and has called upon all nations to not instate any laws that have the power to cut people off the internet, with France and the UK being singled out because they passed three strikes laws.
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RE: France law
by Yamin on Sun 5th Jun 2011 05:50 UTC in reply to "France law"
Yamin
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2006-01-10

Why?

Article 3: "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person."

Great right... but if you break the law by murdering someone, your right to liberty is taken away and you are sent to jail.

Similarly, if you break the P2P law, you can have your internet right taken away.

How hard is that to reconcile?

Edited 2011-06-05 05:50 UTC

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RE[2]: France law
by Alfman on Sun 5th Jun 2011 06:41 in reply to "RE: France law"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

"How hard is that to reconcile?"

Both examples seem irreconcilable.

One can't go around making exceptions to fundamental rights and continue stating that those rights are fundamental.

The contradiction is hypocrisy, in my opinion.

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RE[2]: France law
by Neolander on Sun 5th Jun 2011 07:52 in reply to "RE: France law"
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2010-03-08

Great right... but if you break the law by murdering someone, your right to liberty is taken away and you are sent to jail.

This contradiction can by avoided by stating that the right to life has a greater value than the right to liberty. Keeping a criminal unpunished puts the life of people in danger, maybe that's not worth the liberty of the criminal.

Similarly, if you break the P2P law, you can have your internet right taken away.

This, on the other hand, is pure hypocrisy, doing so basically says that the media industry's pleasure is worth more than the people's freedom of speech.

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RE[3]: France law
by silix on Sun 5th Jun 2011 09:17 in reply to "RE[2]: France law"
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2006-03-01

"Similarly, if you break the P2P law, you can have your internet right taken away.

This, on the other hand, is pure hypocrisy, doing so basically says that the media industry's pleasure is worth more than the people's freedom of speech.
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but P2P is not "speech", it's sharing coprighted material, denying the creator of that material his right to monetize it at his discretion (now, hate majors as much as you want, dont ever buy from them, but if one -whoever- wants to produce something AND sell it, that principle must hold)
those who do p2p cant invoke freedom of speech at their defense, because they abuse their freedom of speech rights, in order to deliberately go against the law - and it would be hypocritical of them to say they do it "to spread culture" (games, sw, britney spears music and blockbuster movies are hardly "culture"..)
OTOH, one could say that depriving one of internet access forever is an excessive measure, when the copright law already prescribes fees and penalties, and that would be agreeable...

Edited 2011-06-05 09:23 UTC

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revenge, punishment, the law, ethics
by frajo on Mon 6th Jun 2011 06:44 in reply to "RE[2]: France law"
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2007-06-29

Keeping a criminal unpunished puts the life of people in danger, maybe that's not worth the liberty of the criminal.


We should acknowledge the differences between revenge, punishment, and corrective measures.
While corrective measures are a social necessity, punishment can be and often is counterproductive.

Furthermore, the definition of "criminality" is depending on the actual societal environment. (Think of the Nazi German race laws .) Thus, law alone is no replacement for ethical decisions.
In certain circumstances you have to act illegally if you want to stay humane. The responsibility is yours. It's your chosen path.

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