Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2011 18:51 UTC
Internet & Networking It's official now. The signs had been there for a while now. While the west bangs on about the importance of freedom and democracy, they don't actually want anyone to have too much of it. The US, France, and the UK have jointly pretty much declared war on freedom on the web.
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Public Tor
by sagum on Thu 9th Jun 2011 22:41 UTC
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2006-01-23

If this gets passed, it won't take long before the TOR Browser gets uplifted into a "freedom browser".

Unfortunatly with all the bad stuff that goes on with TOR, what the governments is going to do more harm then good.

Right now we have an open web where the vast majority of people go about visible to government or ISPs if they want to monitor. Push people away from what they want to do, take away their freedom of speach (not that we actually have that in the UK, super injunctions/contempt of court online!) then we'll be faced with people going underground and even tho they just want the right to say what the heck they want.

People will find the underground a lot more messy, filled with pedo and all the stuff the governments are trying to stop right by censorship of the web.

It just doesn't make sense to stop people from doing something normal such as talking to people online, gossip, or share music with (anyone remember mix tapes?) there by resulting in being pretty much pushed into a corner with pedo, scat, illegal drug ordering, hitman and other crazy underground stuff.

Edited 2011-06-09 22:43 UTC

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RE: Public Tor
by M.Onty on Thu 9th Jun 2011 23:46 in reply to "Public Tor"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

If this gets passed, it won't take long before the TOR Browser gets uplifted into a "freedom browser".

Unfortunatly with all the bad stuff that goes on with TOR, what the governments is going to do more harm then good.

Right now we have an open web where the vast majority of people go about visible to government or ISPs if they want to monitor ... We'll be faced with people going underground and even tho they just want the right to say what the heck they want.


A good point. There's no point in driving everything underground, and that is the only possible outcome for the most extreme scenario of Western governmental interference.

Push people away from what they want to do, take away their freedom of speach (not that we actually have that in the UK, super injunctions/contempt of court online!)


A less considered point, and one which demonstrates the lack of rounded thinking in not only in your comment but articles such as Thom's above.

The super injunctions/contempt of court online issue in the UK is the perfect example of the-powers-that-be trying to regulate the new, refreshing and free platform. Except it ain't that simple.

On the side of the super injunctions---the establishment control, as it were---are various judges who have interperated some rather vague EU laws about privacy as a Right to Privacy, in a manner which has embarrested HMGoverment.

On the other side, the side of free speach, is the British Press, famously amongst the most bawdy and occassionally vile in the world. After 150 years they are pretty 'establishment' by now, and it is their money---Mr. Murdock's money, the same money that pays for Fox News and strongly backs and helps finance the Republicans in the USA and the Torys in the UK---which is funding this vast campaign against the super injunctions in favour of free speech on the Internet. They aren't doing it for public good, its just good for their business model to be able to talk about scandals and dirty politicians.

Lets put that another way. These far from squeaky clean people; the strongest, richest and most powerful backers of the Conservative UK Government, are currently leading the charge to secure free speech online. The waters are very muddied.

Governments around the world are not in cahoots to supress all web freedom. Some of them, three of them in particular, are just doing some rather stupid things to try and win political points by being tough on supposed paedophiles. Even if they were in cahoots to supress all web freedom, they'll either fail to succeed or lose an election in the next decade and their sucessors will more than likely cancel the scheme to raise cash for their own 'grand plans'. In the UK it will probably be something about wheely bins.

It just doesn't make sense to stop people from doing something normal such as talking to people online, gossip, or share music with (anyone remember mix tapes?) there by resulting in being pretty much pushed into a corner with pedo, scat, illegal drug ordering, hitman and other crazy underground stuff.


Very true. But for the love of the gods lets not spin some mighty yarn about a war between the Governments and the People, the Establishment and the Internet. Its seductively, misleadingly, over-simple.

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RE: Public Tor
by Neolander on Fri 10th Jun 2011 07:12 in reply to "Public Tor"
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2010-03-08

I think it's the same problem as with prostitution.

There's such a demand for it that when governments make it illegal, it only make the situation of prostitutes significantly worse.

Oh, crap, at this rate I'm going to become an Amsterdam advocate ;)

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RE[2]: Public Tor
by WereCatf on Fri 10th Jun 2011 07:19 in reply to "RE: Public Tor"
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2006-02-15

Damn those prostitutes! They get laid AND get money for it when I can't get laid even for free!

..oh, wait.

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