Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2011 18:51 UTC
Internet & Networking It's official now. The signs had been there for a while now. While the west bangs on about the importance of freedom and democracy, they don't actually want anyone to have too much of it. The US, France, and the UK have jointly pretty much declared war on freedom on the web.
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RE: @Thom - Core freedom???
by WereCatf on Fri 10th Jun 2011 12:13 UTC in reply to "@Thom - Core freedom???"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

You can't claim same sex marriage as "core" as it will ultimately destroy a society where people only chooses their marriage partner of the same sex


I'm sorry, but.. your argument is BS: even if something is a core freedom it doesn't mean everyone chooses to utilize that said freedom. For example everyone has the freedom to be straight, yet not everyone is that. Similarly, everyone has the right and freedom to be gay, yet still not everyone is that.

You include same-sex marriage a core of human freedom? That is highly subjective and often based on the background of who shouted it.


Ask yourself, what IS marriage anyways? Isn't it an event where people proclaim their affection to eachothers and their wish to try to uphold that affection and everything it entails until the end of their lives? Thus, doesn't EVERYONE have the right to proclaim their affection toward another person, to promise to care for and look after them?

Either you claim that no, people do NOT have the right to publicly reveal their feelings to others and to care for them unless they fit your definition of what human beings should be, or that everyone has that right.

thus defeating the very core of human freedom = procreation.


Freedom is exactly that: a choice to do or not to do. Trying to limit marriage to only heterosexual couples that want to have children is not freedom for anyone, it's religious racism.

Edited 2011-06-10 12:20 UTC

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

I'm sorry, but.. your argument is BS: even if something is a core freedom it doesn't mean everyone chooses to utilize that said freedom. For example everyone has the freedom to be straight, yet not everyone is that. Similarly, everyone has the right and freedom to be gay, yet still not everyone is that.

Without law, there is chaos. It is about choices(to gay or not), but you cannot abuse the freedom because you choose to be a homo and want to have a marriage of the same sex.


Ask yourself, what IS marriage anyways? Isn't it an event where people proclaim their affection to each others and their wish to try to uphold that affection and everything it entails until the end of their lives? Thus, doesn't EVERYONE have the right to proclaim their affection toward another person, to promise to care for and look after them?

Yes we do have that rights, but marriage can only be done between a man and a woman. Do that with same sex marriages, and we have a corrupt society. Most STDs comes from these abuses.

Yes, I know, western people are liberated and consider my argument to be so conservative and obsolete and BS, but in the end, we will see which of our societies will flourish. A society where everything was permitted for the sake of _freedom_ and a society where it upholds the integrity of the family including marriage.


Freedom is exactly that: a choice to do or not to do. Trying to limit marriage to only heterosexual couples that want to have children is not freedom for anyone, it's religious racism.

That is why we have laws. You cannot exercise your freedom for the sake of freedom but in respect to what the law permits in a given society. Not to limit the freedom of man but to save man from corruption. Religious racism holds only to those people who try to get rid of religious views.

Edited 2011-06-11 00:23 UTC

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RE[3]: @Thom - Core freedom???
by Liskat on Sat 11th Jun 2011 02:05 in reply to "RE[2]: @Thom - Core freedom???"
Liskat Member since:
2011-06-11

@ Werecatf

Both of you are right, but seeing it from a different point of view.

From a religious standpoint gay marriage can't be done because in almost all religions homosexuality is prohibited (Think: procreation, a new set of rules as husband and wife and the vow of faithfulness and respect towards each other). You shouldn't want to change a specific religion.

So you see, this marriage concept came together to bond a man and female in front of God to take their blessings from God. These religions have greatly influenced our laws through history. While some of you aren't religious (or won't admit), you can't ignore that most of today's culture derives from those views.

I don't even know why you would want to marry if you're gay except for...

In the world we live in these days we don't have to love each other to marry, we don't even have to know each other. Some marry strippers they know 1 night. Some marriages last 2 weeks. We can choose whether we want to do it in a church, mosque, at a beach, at home with or without a priest or whatever.

For the law it's more a administration kinda deal, a contract between two partners if you will. Build your party or event around it.

Should gay people allowed to get married? By law I think so. Being gay isn't illegal. Should gays allowed to get married by a priest or in a religious setting? I think not.

Peace.

Edited 2011-06-11 02:16 UTC

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Wow...

Yes we do have that rights, but marriage can only be done between a man and a woman. Do that with same sex marriages, and we have a corrupt society.

How is same sex marriage any related to corruption ?

Most STDs comes from these abuses.

Wot ? What is true is that STDs are more easily transmitted between people of the same sex, but...
1/If you have unprotected sex on a regulary basis with someone who has not been screened for them, you get what you deserve, no matter whas is the sex of each member of the couple.
2/If anything, encouraging stable relationships by introducing same sex marriage and as such recognizing the status of homosexual couples can only help limiting the spread of STDs.

Yes, I know, western people are liberated and consider my argument to be so conservative and obsolete and BS, but in the end, we will see which of our societies will flourish. A society where everything was permitted for the sake of _freedom_ and a society where it upholds the integrity of the family including marriage.

Well, I think it's possible to see it already. Look at the most developed and happy countries of the world, and measure the proportion of religious states within them. You'll find it to be pretty low, I'm afraid, and even in those that officially are, the church tends not to have a very strong power in practice.

Religious racism holds only to those people who try to get rid of religious views.

And why, exactly, aren't religious people subject to accusations of religious racism ? Because they are protected from them by God ? How would you call the Inquisition, then ? Or the concept of Jihad ? Religious tolerance ? A racist is a racist, no matter what his beliefs are.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06


choices(to gay or not), but you cannot abuse the freedom because you choose to be a homo


Really.. incredibly astounding the amount of ignorance and bigotry you manage to infuse in that one sentence. Preferring the same sex over the opposite sex is a simple choice is it? All those folks whom you refer to as "homo" simply decided they'd go against the established norm for the fun of ridicule and abuse ignorance like yours directs at them? Wow.. just.. wow.

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