Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Jun 2011 18:51 UTC
Internet & Networking It's official now. The signs had been there for a while now. While the west bangs on about the importance of freedom and democracy, they don't actually want anyone to have too much of it. The US, France, and the UK have jointly pretty much declared war on freedom on the web.
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RE: @Thom - Core freedom???
by Soulbender on Fri 10th Jun 2011 16:34 UTC in reply to "@Thom - Core freedom???"
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

You do know it's perfectly possible to procreate without marriage, right?

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allanregistos Member since:
2011-02-10

You do know it's perfectly possible to procreate without marriage, right?


Yes I know, I know. It is possible, but children needs caring parents. But as someone posted, that if a bastard child shows up, we need also to care to them. But do you think all illegitimate children ends up of being good citizens? And all illegitimate children ends up in a healthy environment?
So preserving the integrity of marriage is to preserve a healthy society.

BttT.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

but children needs caring parents


There's no good reason why a gay couple could not be as caring as a straight one. Heck, judging from how many fscked up straight homes there are maybe they'll even be more caring.

But do you think all illegitimate children ends up of being good citizens?

And all illegitimate children ends up in a healthy environment?


No, but neither does all legitimate children.

So preserving the integrity of marriage is to preserve a healthy society


That's just a cultural preference. There are cultures where this is not how things are.
ANd what about diverce and separation? That sure does not "preserve the integrity of marriage".

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Yes I know, I know. It is possible, but children needs caring parents. But as someone posted, that if a bastard child shows up, we need also to care to them. But do you think all illegitimate children ends up of being good citizens? And all illegitimate children ends up in a healthy environment?
So preserving the integrity of marriage is to preserve a healthy society.

I don't see how what you say above supports your conclusion. Why should marriage (which is a religious or civil contract) influence the conditions in which children are raised (which depends on the conditions in which parents are living, on the quality of the relationship between them, on the individual quirks of the parents...)

If anything, I'd tend to say that people marrying "because they socially must" has resulted in a huge lots of divorces (33% in my home country), whose complexity and duration makes parent separation even harder for children. To the contrary, I think that in Sweden, the proportion of couples who don't feel the need to marry is around 25%, yet this country manages to reach the highest level of human development, happiness, etc.

Edited 2011-06-11 07:18 UTC

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RE[3]: @Thom - Core freedom???
by werterr on Sat 11th Jun 2011 19:13 in reply to "RE[2]: @Thom - Core freedom???"
werterr Member since:
2006-10-03

Wow... So you really believe that ?

Marriage is inconsequential for that. It's only when you create a situation where everything is bad unless your married when this would apply.

It sounds like same kind of reasoning done by people that where pro-slavery and against women’s rights.

You could so easily that saying; 'Slavery saves society because otherwise all current-slaves would only be thief’s and murderers.'

This is not true, just like marriage has little to do with the kind of environment that children grow up in.

A good house with loving parents can be just as easily be in a married or non-married settings. Heck even the number of parents is not really that important... I mean 2, 3, 4 maybe 5 adults in a parent role ? why not ?

Many family have there grand-parents live with them... when they are active in a parent-role for the children you now have 3 or 4 parents... maybe there is a much older sibbling or other family living in your house helping out with parenting... that gives you 5 parents... maybe there was a divorce and now you have 2 mommies or 2 daddies.. all these variations can just as well yield a loving caring home as much as they can lead to a disfunctional family.

Knowing people that are scared for life growing up in a 'normal' married-coupled family with abusive parents and people that had a perfect childhood with there lesbian aunts, I get a little irritating when I read that marriage 'saves the planet' or is the only road to a good childhood.

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