Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Jun 2011 06:31 UTC
Legal Well, the first of the big patent litigations is over. Since this one involves Apple, the big winner is obviously the highly innovative company from Cupertiono, right? The company from which all others copy, right? Well, no, not exactly. The big winner is Nokia.
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Freaking Hypocrite!
by MacMan on Tue 14th Jun 2011 13:03 UTC
MacMan
Member since:
2006-11-19

Thom, you are such a freaking hypocrite.

So, according to Thom, software patents are bad except when used against Apple. Look at most of Thom's posts, patents bad, patents bad... then Apple gets hit by a patent troll, now patents are good, next week, XYZ corp will be hit by a patent troll, then all of a sudden, patents will be bad again.

These patents are ridiculous, all of them should have been thrown out, all of Nokia's, all of Apple's, all of them. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I still can't believe the supreme court let that i4i troll extort all that money from Microsoft based on their ridiculous patent. At least Microsoft produces stuff that people want to buy.

Why innovate when you can litigate.

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RE: Freaking Hypocrite!
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 14th Jun 2011 13:28 in reply to "Freaking Hypocrite!"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Thom, you are such a freaking hypocrite.


Looking at your nickname, this gun' be good.

So, according to Thom, software patents are bad except when used against Apple.


Nokia filed with HARDWARE patents. Apple filed with SOFTWARE patents. Software patents = bad. Hardware patents (generally) good. Simply, huh?

Look at most of Thom's posts, patents bad, patents bad...


SOFTWARE patents are by definition bad. SOFTWARE patents. SOFTWARE. SOFTWARE. SOFTWARE.

Why innovate when you can litigate.


Nokia had done more innovating in its lifetime than Apple has. Without Nokia (and Motorola) no worldwide mobile phone network. Apple innovates white plastics and pretty buttons. Nokia innovates a technology that has changed the world forever, and has allowed people the world over to share knowledge and to organise themselves, improving their lives.

Call me when Apple comes up with something that will change more lives than the lives of people at Starbucks and Hipster cafes.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Maybe you have different hipsters. Ours are required by law to wear skinny jeans. iPhones wouldn't fit in them. Apple's gear is more for the techno-yuppies.

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v RE[2]: Freaking Hypocrite!
by pantheraleo on Tue 14th Jun 2011 15:39 in reply to "RE: Freaking Hypocrite!"
RE[2]: Freaking Hypocrite!
by kittynipples on Wed 15th Jun 2011 12:29 in reply to "RE: Freaking Hypocrite!"
kittynipples Member since:
2006-08-02

Nokia filed with HARDWARE patents. Apple filed with SOFTWARE patents. Software patents = bad. Hardware patents (generally) good. Simply, huh?


If an inventor comes up with some "new or novel" way of doing something, please explain what is the real difference between it being implemented in software or in hardware as far as patentability is concerned?

Using your kindergarten logic: Inventing a new algorithm to increase video compression by x3 is not patentable, but inventing a new type of drill bit design that can drill through a material x3 more efficiently should be? I guess so, since software patents = bad, hardware patents = good.

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RE[2]: Freaking Hypocrite!
by brichpmr on Thu 16th Jun 2011 10:08 in reply to "RE: Freaking Hypocrite!"
brichpmr Member since:
2006-04-22

"Thom, you are such a freaking hypocrite.


Looking at your nickname, this gun' be good.

So, according to Thom, software patents are bad except when used against Apple.


Nokia filed with HARDWARE patents. Apple filed with SOFTWARE patents. Software patents = bad. Hardware patents (generally) good. Simply, huh?

Look at most of Thom's posts, patents bad, patents bad...


SOFTWARE patents are by definition bad. SOFTWARE patents. SOFTWARE. SOFTWARE. SOFTWARE.

Why innovate when you can litigate.


Nokia had done more innovating in its lifetime than Apple has. Without Nokia (and Motorola) no worldwide mobile phone network. Apple innovates white plastics and pretty buttons. Nokia innovates a technology that has changed the world forever, and has allowed people the world over to share knowledge and to organise themselves, improving their lives.

Call me when Apple comes up with something that will change more lives than the lives of people at Starbucks and Hipster cafes.
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This exposes you as a marginally knowledgeable blogger with a weak agenda, dude. Several tens of millions of satisfied users at all levels of computer savvy would disagree with you.

Edited 2011-06-16 10:10 UTC

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RE: Freaking Hypocrite!
by Beta on Tue 14th Jun 2011 13:34 in reply to "Freaking Hypocrite!"
Beta Member since:
2005-07-06

These patents are ridiculous, all of them should have been thrown out, all of Nokia's, all of Apple's, all of them. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I still can't believe the supreme court let that i4i troll extort all that money from Microsoft based on their ridiculous patent. At least Microsoft produces stuff that people want to buy.


I cannot stand patents, but taking such a harsh stand against anyone suing using them is absurd. To have a functioning free market, you need to limit companies abusing each other. Hopefully the next stage is shorter term patents, and a more watchful eye over licensing agreements from ombudsmen.

I4I attempted to work with Microsoft closely to bring some features to Office, their partner ship fell through but Microsoft still used their shared work. If it were easier to take MS to court for abusing their business partnerships, I'm sure i4i would have gone that route.

Nokia has developed hardware technology for telephony and Apple didn't have a licence. That's just the way the hardware market exists atm.

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RE: Freaking Hypocrite!
by MrWeeble on Tue 14th Jun 2011 13:35 in reply to "Freaking Hypocrite!"
MrWeeble Member since:
2007-04-18

So, according to Thom, software patents are bad except when used against Apple.


from Thom's article:
Nokia presented cold and harsh hardware patents


Software patents are not the same as hardware patents.

I agree with you both that software patents are in general a stupid idea; but protecting actual innovations in hardware, well that is what the patent system was invented for. Now whether these hardware patents that Nokia hold actually are innovative, I couldn't say*, but since they were pretty integral to the creation of GSM I am guessing they have a few innovations up their sleeves

*I am sure there is a list somewhere, but I haven't had the inclination to go through them

[Edit: Damn, I got to be quicker with my comments, Thom's already said all of this while I was still spell-checking and previewing]

Edited 2011-06-14 13:37 UTC

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RE[2]: Freaking Hypocrite!
by JAlexoid on Tue 14th Jun 2011 19:57 in reply to "RE: Freaking Hypocrite!"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I'd like to highlight a point for this case: Software and art have copyright and hardware has patents.

Make software non-copyrightable, then I'll agree on patents for software.

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