Linked by Kaj de Vos on Wed 15th Jun 2011 08:23 UTC
Syllable, AtheOS The Syllable project has released a live CD for Syllable Desktop 0.6.6. It has been a long time since the last live CD, so Syllable 0.6.5 was skipped. The creator of the original live CD left the project, without releasing the build scripts. Further it turned out that a needed patch to Syllable wasn't available, either, so the project had to create a whole new live CD, including a modified kernel. Also, some eighty SDL programs were recently ported to Syllable (video of the Power Manga game).
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RE: Comment by cipri
by chamel on Fri 17th Jun 2011 14:18 UTC in reply to "Comment by cipri"
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Mostly you are right. Except for your attitude to Kaj which is quiet aggressive. I don't like Kaj too. Development of Syllable OS is discussed in private, at AltMe, that is why nobody knows what is going on. I was trying to get involved with development, but dealing with people, who don't understand what is open source and what is important when developing OS, is frustrating and discourages from being involved.
The only solution is to FORK from Syllable and create healthy development of OS, instead of promoting scripting language.

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RE[2]: Comment by cipri
by cipri on Fri 17th Jun 2011 18:42 in reply to "RE: Comment by cipri"
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I admit, that perhaps I should have tried to express myself less impulsive. But mostly I tried to make funny comparisions.
I know you spent also quite some time with syllable too, and I know it's not that easy to forget and to turn completely away (that's why I also use to take a look from time to time at the syllable forums). But sadly fact is, syllable has a lot of bugs and short commings (not without reason there is no newer compiler on syllable, and also not a newer development build. Their latest development build will became in a few month, 2 years old).
A few years ago, I would have opted for a fork. Today the situation is completely different. Haiku, has nearly everything that syllable wished to have. In a few days Haiku Alpha 3 should appear, and it brings a lot of improvements. Haiku is a lot more feature complete and developing on Haiku is also easier (less buggy api, and if there are bugs, in most cases, they are solved very soon by the devs).
Haiku has a bunch of highly professional developers (alexd, ingo, stippi, mmrl, and many more). Additional, Haiku has also quite a lot of money, which is spent of paying developers. There are so many advantages with Haiku, that's why I could not recommand anybody to fork syllable. Why fork syllable if you can fork haiku, which is a lot more easy to develop and maintain and a lot more advanced than syllable.
A syllable fork would be very difficult to do, because "builder" is in a quite obsolet state, and it would need to be totally replaced, and that would imply a lot of work. On the other Haiku is trivial fork.
But since the Haiku devs are doing a great job, there is no real reason for a fork.

Related to Altme:
I guess Kaj likes Altme (even if it's nor working on syllable), because everything is closed. Like that he can give the impressiont to people that there are a lot of syllable developers, but we dont see them because they are hidden in altme. I guess that's the reason, why they use Altme, just to hide their penibel situation. Another reason could be, that they want to hide what they talk related to developement, because it would be clear to people that they mostly have just "academic/informal discussions" and that nothing real is done. At least they could have posted the AltMe logs, if they didnt intend to hide. But no, they are really hiding, in my opinion.

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RE[3]: Comment by cipri
by demetrioussharpe on Sun 19th Jun 2011 00:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by cipri"
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Obviously, there were quite a few things that could've been done better & could've been done worse in the Syllable project. However, that's a moot point. The things that happened, happened long ago, so it's a done deal. As a matter of fact, it's been a done deal for a very long time. Everyone want's to jump all over Cipri, without knowing the whole story. As a matter of fact, it would be very premature to even bother to pick sides without knowing the story. As far as his opinions & why he hasn't offered any solutions, well, why would he? Opinions & proposed solutions were handed out like candy when all of this drama really started. I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions about that. As for now, why would he offer solutions in 2011, since he's very much a Haiku guy instead of a Syllable guy these days. For many of you, his opinions are news. But this is something that's years old. So, it would be best to let sleeping dogs lie in this case. And for the record, I'm not speaking in favor of or against Cipri's statements.

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