Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Jun 2011 18:49 UTC
Privacy, Security, Encryption Oh boy, what do we make of this? We haven't paid that much attention to the whole thing as of yet, but with a recent public statement on why they do what they do, I think it's about time to address this thing. Yes, Lulz Security, the hacking group (or whatever they are) that's been causing quite a bit of amok on the web lately.
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RE: Bah
by Doc Pain on Fri 17th Jun 2011 21:17 UTC in reply to "Bah"
Doc Pain
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2006-10-08

What a crock. "We do it for fun". Right.


Still, they remind Internet participiants to what security is: It's not a static state, it's an active process. Why do they harm people (or at least support others doing that with the information they publish)? Because that's the only way people actually learn, especially in relation to the Internet.

Because people love car analogies, here's one: Imagine you've been driving too fast. A half year after that event you get a letter from a penalty court that states you have done something wrong, and should pay an (acceptably small) amount of money. But you may appeal to that decision. Lesson learned: none. Now imagine that right after driving too fast, the car gets confiscated and you are prohibited to drive another car. Lesson learned immediately: Driving too fast is bad. :-)

(Apply the same scheme of cause and reaction for youth criminality, tax fraud or other kinds of crime and antisocial behaviour.)

LulzSec makes people aware about what actively maintaining security means. And they address all those who are involved in it, implicitely:

On one hand, there are the "big ones": Governments, companies, industry, content providers, service providers and so on. This is the group that always says: "We do provide a secure <whatever>." This statement is discovered to be a lie.

On the other hand, there are the "small ones": The users. They don't claim anything about how secure they use the Internet. In fact, they don't even care for security on the Internet. One may assume that they don't value their data. But that's not true: They are just not aware of the facts - the facts that "villains" who gain access to their data can do harm to them.

Both "societies" are made aware that it's worth paying attention to security and keep actively working on it. Anything else is just futile.

Just image the "big ones" would be true stating that they are "secure", and the "small ones" would protect their precious data. Would LulzSec have a chance "entering the stage" with what they've done? Surely not.

Most people grew out of that phase after puberty.


Although I do not appreciate what LulzSec did, I may mention that they are in fact aware of the importance of security. This is a state one should never grow out of, but sadly, many (even adult) individuals never actually entered that state.

Basically, it's not that bad making people aware of the dangers present in relation to the Internet, even though the choice of means and the further results cannot be interpreted all positively (at least not by me). Still, the fact keeps standing: People only learn when they suffer. And learning is required for the neccessary change of behaviour.

I"m really happy I'm not part of the segment of that generation these guys represent.


Hopefully you're also not part of their "target audience". :-)

Lets call these guys what they are, immature assholes with zero ethics who's looking to make a name for themselves.


As I mentioned above, making people aware of present dangers that are traditionally denied or ignored... well, I would not call that "zero ethics", although their means are definitely highly debatable.

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RE[2]: Bah
by Soulbender on Fri 17th Jun 2011 21:22 in reply to "RE: Bah"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Although I do not appreciate what LulzSec did, I may mention that they are in fact aware of the importance of security


Yeah, but that's like saying thieves reminds us about the importance of home security. I"m not going to go out and thank the guy for breaking in and stealing my stuff.

Hopefully you're also not part of their "target audience". :-)


I don't care if I am. Bring it on, bitches ;)

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RE[3]: Bah
by Doc Pain on Fri 17th Jun 2011 21:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Bah"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Although I do not appreciate what LulzSec did, I may mention that they are in fact aware of the importance of security


Yeah, but that's like saying thieves reminds us about the importance of home security. I"m not going to go out and thank the guy for breaking in and stealing my stuff.
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Good comparison. Although the individual thiefs do not deserve any positive statement about what they do, their pure existence reminds us to maintain home security properly. On the other hand... if they would not eiixst, there would be no need for such security efforts. But in general, people aren't honest. Especially in regards of Internet relations where big companies and small criminals want to profit from you and your data, one should be aware of the pure fact that the Internet is full of evildoers who just seek for a chance to do harm to others, traditionally for profit, Doing it "for fun" doesn't make the situation better, but it may be interpreted as a "less criminal motivation", given that LulzSec's goal is to wake up people, as they do not profit from their actions themselves (in opposite to the "real criminals").

In the situation discussed, LulzSec isn't the thief per se. They just provide keys for your home (as you are "hiding" them right infront of your door). Then others take those secondary keys and come to steal your things. :-)

Edited 2011-06-17 21:50 UTC

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