Linked by _txf_ on Tue 28th Jun 2011 06:18 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones A remarkably well reasoned editorial by Peter Bright at Ars discusses the implications of the new Firefox release schedule. The Crux of the argument is that by complaining about the "new" Firefox release, corporate customers are fundamentally misunderstanding the web and their place in it. He also reflects on historical reasons for their attitude and what they should do in the future to maintain parity with the evolution of the web.
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RE[3]: Corporate foot-dragging
by bassbeast on Tue 28th Jun 2011 09:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Corporate foot-dragging"
bassbeast
Member since:
2007-11-11

Actually, unlike Firefox, Chrome supports both .MSIs and GPO so I'd say this latest move by Moz was just dumb. If I was still working corporate there is NO way I'd allow FF anywhere near my machines. Whether Moz likes it or not there are often REAL apps that REAL people require to do their job, and with a schedule as fast as Moz is advocating (in the blog they said they want to get SIX WEEK turnover) it simply can't be tested AT ALL.

I personally have removed Firefox from my standard install images here at the shop and am currently switching my customers over to Comodo Dragon, which is Chromium based. Firefox killed about a third of my extensions with their little stunt, including some that my customers counted on for security. that is simply unacceptable so Firefox has to go.

So sorry Mozilla, it was nice while it lasted, but with the Chromium based I don't have to deal with broken extensions. So far all my extensions have continued working just fine after updating, soemthing I can't say about your browser. so long, and thanks for all the fish.

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RE[4]: Corporate foot-dragging
by _txf_ on Tue 28th Jun 2011 10:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Corporate foot-dragging"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

So sorry Mozilla, it was nice while it lasted, but with the Chromium based I don't have to deal with broken extensions. So far all my extensions have continued working just fine after updating, soemthing I can't say about your browser. so long, and thanks for all the fish.


Does Chrome auto update?

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RE[5]: Corporate foot-dragging
by jgagnon on Tue 28th Jun 2011 13:50 in reply to "RE[4]: Corporate foot-dragging"
jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

I'm pretty sure minor revisions update automatically while full point releases require interaction, though I'm sure there is some way to automate it.

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bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

The Dragon which I'm using (based on Chromium not Chrome) will tell you there is an update but you have to download it manually. More importantly I've been from Dragon 8 through Dragon 12 and NO dead extensions, none. And I'm using the same extensions I was on Firefox.

Frankly to me this is Firefox taking a big old dump on the people that made them great. the ONLY real selling feature Moz had over Chromium was the extensions, but thanks to their crazy release schedule more and more extension devs are switching over to Chromium which means both Chrome and Dragon benefit. I only hope the Chromium guys manage to give the NoScript guy the hooks he has been asking for so noScript can come to the Dragon. that is the ONLY extension I need now, everything has been taken care of thanks to FF devs jumping ship.

So as I said before it was fun while it lasted, so long Firefox and thanks for all the fish

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eldarion Member since:
2008-12-15

Actually, unlike Firefox, Chrome supports both .MSIs and GPO so I'd say this latest move by Moz was just dumb.

Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.frontmotion.com/Firefox/

Firefox killed about a third of my extensions with their little stunt, including some that my customers counted on for security.

Like what? Really, if the extensions don't follow firefox update speed, you should not blame Firefox. Maybe you made some poor extension choices?

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pantheraleo Member since:
2007-03-07

Like what? Really, if the extensions don't follow firefox update speed, you should not blame Firefox. Maybe you made some poor extension choices?


No.... We should blame Firefox. For not giving us any time at all to test whether their new browser is compatible with the Web apps / plugins we use before forcing it on us. This really is going to hurt Firefox adoption in the enterprise. It was a really dumb move on Mozilla's part.

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RE[5]: Corporate foot-dragging
by Alfman on Tue 28th Jun 2011 16:56 in reply to "RE[4]: Corporate foot-dragging"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

eldarion,

"Like what? Really, if the extensions don't follow firefox update speed, you should not blame Firefox. Maybe you made some poor extension choices?"

Wow, I can't believe what I'm hearing.

I've personally seen FF updates break extensions, it's very frustrating. According to you we should blame the extension author, but not every 3rd party developer has the resources to keep up with mozilla's betas, I know I wouldn't. Doesn't mozilla deserve more of them blame since it was they who caused things to break?

Edited 2011-06-28 17:04 UTC

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