Linked by David Adams on Thu 30th Jun 2011 15:55 UTC, submitted by Jennimc
Apple Newly published results show Apple's newly adopted Thunderbolt technology blows FireWire 800 out of the water with data transfer speeds to an external RAID system at 700MB/s.
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RE[2]: Where's eSATA?
by kefkathecruel on Fri 1st Jul 2011 03:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Where's eSATA?"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

1. Please do note that Intel is the designer of the Thunderbolt technology. So much for Apple reinventing the wheel.

2. Thunderbolt is far faster than USB 3.0 and other competing technologies.

3. Again it isn't Apple's solution but rather comes from Intel. Apple is merely an early adopter. Firewire was adopted by dozens of corporations whose CEOs are responsible for managing in one year more money than you will ever see in your life.

4. Apple moved to embrace industry standards with the CHRP platform in the mid 90s and has been evolving toward more standard hardware ever since. On the matter of compatibility I can legally run Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, and pretty much any other operating system on my MacBook. I can run Windows apps side by side with KDE and MS Office for Mac. Can you say the same for your Dell laptop?

Fail troll is fail.

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RE[3]: Where's eSATA?
by novad on Fri 1st Jul 2011 05:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Where's eSATA?"
novad Member since:
2010-06-10

1. Please do note that Intel is the designer of the Thunderbolt technology. So much for Apple reinventing the wheel.

Maybe... Won't argue on that (Don't know enough about the subject).

2. Thunderbolt is far faster than USB 3.0 and other competing technologies.


Well... If you talk about eSata for example it's allready an old technology... So if you compare it to it's first release you're right but it's also evolving and announced speed is not so different from thunderbolt (For equivalent public availability).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA

3. Again it isn't Apple's solution but rather comes from Intel. Apple is merely an early adopter. Firewire was adopted by dozens of corporations whose CEOs are responsible for managing in one year more money than you will ever see in your life.

Well No... Apple was clearly involved from the beginning with firewire and is commonly seen as the designer of this technology (In comparison, USB was designed by multiple other companies)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface

4. Apple moved to embrace industry standards with the CHRP platform in the mid 90s and has been evolving toward more standard hardware ever since. On the matter of compatibility I can legally run Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, and pretty much any other operating system on my MacBook. I can run Windows apps side by side with KDE and MS Office for Mac. Can you say the same for your Dell laptop?

This last point is pure trolling I think... Anyway. Apple adopted "most" industry standards for financial reasons. It was much too expensive to support another platform and "reinventing the wheel" ;-)
You can run Windows (or others) on "Apple" hardware because THEY (the others) are open and accept this kind of usage... Now that apple uses Standard hardware there's no reason why it shouldn't work.
And you're right... I can't say the same from a Dell laptop because of Apple's lock-in. Even if you technically resolve the lock-in Apple will sue you to hell.

Fail troll is fail. [/q]
You're right ;-)

P.S: Sorry for my english... It's not my native language

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RE[4]: Where's eSATA?
by kefkathecruel on Fri 1st Jul 2011 09:16 in reply to "RE[3]: Where's eSATA?"
kefkathecruel Member since:
2006-01-17

Maybe... Won't argue on that (Don't know enough about the subject).


I do know about the subject. I've told you directly, and you are free to research the matter yourself.

Well... If you talk about eSata for example it's allready an old technology... So if you compare it to it's first release you're right but it's also evolving and announced speed is not so different from thunderbolt (For equivalent public availability).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA


We aren't talking about eSATA, we are talking about Thunderbolt. The original claim stated that Apple "tout[s] it as being 50x faster than the competition". The fact is, Thunderbolt is extremely fast. It is faster than some, not as fast as others. Of course if it is significantly faster than some specific technology that is otherwise commonly used for the same problem domain, marketing will make a point of that and moreover would be fools if they didn't.

Well No... Apple was clearly involved from the beginning with firewire


I never said Apple wasn't involved in Firewire. I said Intel is the recognized designer of Thunderbolt, formerly known as Light Peak. Do your homework.

[Apple] is commonly seen as the designer of this technology

Which is why Intel is listed as the designer on the wikipedia page, right?

his last point is pure trolling I think... Anyway. Apple adopted "most" industry standards for financial reasons. It was much too expensive to support another platform and "reinventing the wheel" ;-)


The last point wasn't a troll but rather a counterpoint to the claim that Apple always reinvents the wheel, as was claimed by the OP. You've already acknowledged that Apple has avoided reinventing the wheel. The reasons, be they financial or otherwise, are beside the point and absolutely irrelevant. The point being that the OP was absolutely wrong.

You can run Windows (or others) on "Apple" hardware because…


The reasons are irrelevant. The fact is, I can run more software to include Linux, Windows, and Macintosh in a more integrated fashion than any other platform on the planet. Between Fink, Parallels, Wine … I can run more software than pretty much anybody else. This enables me to select the right tool for the job regardless of the job as I have all the tools at my disposal. Whether it is for licensing or any other reasons, no other platform on Earth can claim to do what the Macintosh can do. It's not a troll, just a point that makes Apple haters, such as the OP, go appestat.

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RE[3]: Where's eSATA?
by zima on Tue 5th Jul 2011 16:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Where's eSATA?"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

[...] On the matter of compatibility I can legally run Windows, Linux, Mac OS X, and pretty much any other operating system on my MacBook. I can run Windows apps side by side with KDE and MS Office for Mac. Can you say the same for your Dell laptop? [...]

Probably most of humanity can do that fairly legally as well. It might be a radical idea to you, but to many people & in many places EULAs don't equate to, don't overwrite existing laws.

(nvm flaunting in context artificial limitations put up by Apple, are you for real?)

Edited 2011-07-05 16:38 UTC

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